Ford is done making boring cars

[MaddNomad]

The mustang rides on what's called an orphan platform. It means that platform isn't shared with any other model. That's really bad from a engineering cost standpoint. Ford's CEO recently said how they're all in on mustang, investing more heavily in it that ever. That says to me that we might finally get a new platform moving forward.

Something that could accommodate ICE, hybrids, and EVS to future proof the mustang against any changes in the market. If they develop this platform to also accommodate a sedan, that's gonna distribute the engineering costs across multiple models, improving cost efficiency. That's how a lot of brands are able to sell cars at a reasonable price, and still turn a profit.

I fear with the sports car market shrinking, car companies are gonna enter this vicious cycle of making their cars more expensive, selling less of them, so they have to make them even more expensive to turn a profit, and before you know it, a mustang GT starts at 100k. Having multiple models on the same platform would help guard against this.

I understand falcon, or Thunderbird is what you guys want, but it won't happen. I personally want to see the Galaxie name make a comeback. Hands down Ford's coolest sounding historically significant name that's not being used. Call the mustang sedan a mustang Galaxie, that works imo.

Call a smaller mustang a mustang stallion, and a mid-engine mustang a mustang cobra.

What I'm trying to say is mustang is Porsche, it's gradually distancing itself from the Ford branding, and becoming its own brand. I believe someone said you won't see a single Ford emblem on the outside of a mach-e or mustang coupe. They're turning it into its own thing. So when you look at the mustang as its own brand, suddenly, the idea of having multiple mustang branded vehicles is less offensive.

It’s not though, it’s a nameplate like the 911. Farley wants to do this weird thing where he wants to compete with Porsche 911 with the Mustang as well as compete with other models, hence why I said 911 and Panamera, not 911 Panamera.

Mustang doesn’t make cars, Porsche does. Ford only has the Mustang and the Mustang Mach E which was originally suppose to be called just the Mach 1? So he didnt care about it being branded a Mustang originally anyways, but neither here nor there. This example will never make sense in the way you’re making it or even how Jim is making it. Though I respect your opinion.

That V8 Ford sedan that people wanted and was killed off was in fact a Falcon (Crown Vic, LTD etc) because that’s what it was until 2016. It’s not like it didn’t exist at all, that was the formula for THAT car. Which is why I said Ford has all these iconic nameplates globally that not a lot of people have.

and yes you can share parts with any different named car like in the past. Not new.

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[BoostRabbitGT]

I'm seeing discounted 5.0s brand new for around 40k for a brand new 500 hp V8 sports car.

I'm assuming these are non-premium standard transmission GTs? Where exactly are you seeing them?

 

[broncoboy22]

I'm assuming these are non-premium standard transmission GTs? Where exactly are you seeing them?

Yes please tell us where

 

[9secondko]

It’s not though, it’s a nameplate like the 911. Farley wants to do this weird thing where he wants to compete with Porsche 911 with the Mustang as well as compete with other models, hence why I said 911 and Panamera, not 911 Panamera.

Mustang doesn’t make cars, Porsche does. Ford only has the Mustang and the Mustang Mach E which was originally suppose to be called just the Mach 1? So he didnt care about it being branded a Mustang originally anyways, but neither here nor there. This example will never make sense in the way you’re making it or even how Jim is making it. Though I respect your opinion.

That V8 Ford sedan that people wanted and was killed off was in fact a Falcon (Crown Vic, LTD etc) because that’s what it was until 2016. It’s not like it didn’t exist at all, that was the formula for THAT car. Which is why I said Ford has all these iconic nameplates globally that not a lot of people have.

and yes you can share parts with any different named car like in the past. Not new.

well said. How anyone would think a make and model are interchangeable is beyond reason.

I can see the origami dmv paperwork now…

 

[9secondko]

The CURRENT Mustang is a standalone platform - because it’s so OLD! it started as the D2C. And here it is, saving Ford loads of cash decades later. It’s not more expensive. It’s CHEAPER.

ford made the stupid decision to stop selling cars outright and is now regretting it. People want cars again.

however, the answer isn’t to call all your cars “Mustang.” You can spin off the next gen mustang platform into a number of unique cars with their own identities.

turning the mustang into a 4 door is the definition of ford making boring cars. Campaign slogan: “make the mustang boring again?” Heck no.
Focus on making the mustang the accessible exotic. The hot car. Derivatives of its platform can have their own distinct identities, whether new or revived classics.

ford has saved enough money charging us more money for old tech for far too long.

on with the next hen. Make it light, strong, aerodynsmicand able to put the power down.

Then take that and add to it to make the next falcon, t-bird, or whatever - complete with their own trim levels, not mustang-specific trim levels.

this is where Ford went afoul killing off SVT. revive or come up with a new one thst isn’t generic “ford performamce” and make that the hot rod edition of the new car breeds.

 

[DeluxeStang]

I'm assuming these are non-premium standard transmission GTs? Where exactly are you seeing them?

Not seeing them now, it was one car in particular. It was a base, or close to it GT discounted to 41k. Tried to find the listing, but I think someone bought it, or they changed the price. I was able to find GTs in the mid to high 40s, but not the one I was talking about. I apologize.

 

[DeluxeStang]

This is another example of the kind of direction I'd love to see mustang styling go in. Words can't express how much I love the styling on 1960s mustang fastbacks. So something like this would give me maximum fizz.

Every segment of cars has that golden era. With muscle cars, it was the 60s, with small sporty hatchbacks, it was the 90s and early 2000s. I'd love to see Ford create a diverse lineup where instead of only taking inspiration from one era, they kinda tapped into their best hits from each decade. A mustang that takes inspiration from the 60s, a new RS 200 with 80s inspiration, a Ford escort with 90s inspiration, so on and so on.

 

[9secondko]

This is another example of the kind of direction I'd love to see mustang styling go in. Words can't express how much I love the styling on 1960s mustang fastbacks. So something like this would give me maximum fizz.

Every segment of cars has that golden era. With muscle cars, it was the 60s, with small sporty hatchbacks, it was the 90s and early 2000s. I'd love to see Ford create a diverse lineup where instead of only taking inspiration from one era, they kinda tapped into their best hits from each decade. A mustang that takes inspiration from the 60s, a new RS 200 with 80s inspiration, a Ford escort with 90s inspiration, so on and so on.

I believe we had that already with s197. Hoping to see less retro and more sleek and futuristic next gen.

 

[DeluxeStang]

I believe we had that already with s197. Hoping to see less retro and more sleek and futuristic next gen.

I disagree strongly. The mustang is a pony car, it needs to keep that look. The look comes before areo imo when it comes to cars like the mustang. Ideally, the car would get a bit longer, or at least have a longer hood, and a longer dash to axle ratio in particular, the distance between the dashboard and front axle.

Worst case scenario, Ford makes the next mustang look like a 80s/90s mustang, which both looked like ass. Praying to GOD that doesn't happen.

 

[DeluxeStang]

I believe we had that already with s197. Hoping to see less retro and more sleek and futuristic next gen.

If you find something that works, that people find really appealing, I argue it has no end date. The 911 has looked basically the same for 50 years now, and still resonates with people. The design cues associated with the 1960s define what the mustang is, massive hood, fastback roofline, really exaggerated hips, tri bar elements, etc. It's wildly agreed that while there were some ok performance mustangs in the 70s to the early 2000s, the mustang looks are at their best when you're talking about the 60s mustangs, and mustangs post 2005. Everything else in-between doesn't look very good to my eyes.

The best approach for a radical, sleek and futuristic mustang design would be a mid-engine car. That's the ideal scenario for all of us mustang fans, we get to keep the normal muscle car coupe, but we also get things like a mid-engine mustang cobra alongside it. Have that car look futuristic, and have the coupe keep the basic 60s shape, best of both worlds.

You don't want to get rid of the mustang identity by throwing out mustang design cues. Even non car people I know can identify 60s mustangs, and 2005-2024 mustangs as mustangs. But show them anything in-between, and they think it's an import. Shows you how bad all those other mustang designs were.

 

[9secondko]

If you find something that works, that people find really appealing, I argue it has no end date. The 911 has looked basically the same for 50 years now, and still resonates with people. The design cues associated with the 1960s define what the mustang is, massive hood, fastback roofline, really exaggerated hips, tri bar elements, etc. It's wildly agreed that while there were some ok performance mustangs in the 70s to the early 2000s, the mustang looks are at their best when you're talking about the 60s mustangs, and mustangs post 2005. Everything else in-between doesn't look very good to my eyes.

The best approach for a radical, sleek and futuristic mustang design would be a mid-engine car. That's the ideal scenario for all of us mustang fans, we get to keep the normal muscle car coupe, but we also get things like a mid-engine mustang cobra alongside it. Have that car look futuristic, and have the coupe keep the basic 60s shape, best of both worlds.

You don't want to get rid of the mustang identity by throwing out mustang design cues. Even non car people I know can identify 60s mustangs, and 2005-2024 mustangs as mustangs. But show them anything in-between, and they think it's an import. Shows you how bad all those other mustang designs were.

but that’s the thing. The s197 faded and ford saw the need to update. And the 650 is even less retro than the 550. It had a good run. The retro era was great but it’s time to move forward.

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