Upgrading wheels and tires for performance

[ShaneMs650]

I was wondering what wheels and tires are other people running and what other suggest for my dedicated build. Right now I have a completely stock S650 Base that came with 18 inch wheels and 255 Continentals. Any suggestions?

The build i’m going for:
I want to be N/A and maximize my performance for a street build. Mainly for roll racing and digs. Since there’s no tuning and I don’t have any mods I don’t think it’s a good idea to get semi slick tires. I definitely want something that’s lightweight.

Future upgrades:
looking into kooks long tube headers, HOPEFULLY A TUNE whenever that’s possible and possibly weight reduction by getting a lightweight seat.

Any suggestions would help, Thanks!!

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[kagemusha2662]

Wheels: any flow formed wheels from reputable brands (Apex, Velgen, Project 6GR, SVE/LMR, Steeda, a lot more to list). Flow-formed wheels save a ton of rotating mass. You can go forged, but for street build, it is pretty overkill.
Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 4s or Continental Extreme Contact Sport 02. Have had both and they work extremely well on the street. Lots of people recommend drag radials or streetable drag tires like Mickey Thompsons or Nittos, but in my experience, it's a massive pain to replaces these multiple times a year, especially if one is always on the throttle and spinning them. You mention you're only doing NA, so they may last longer for you, but Michelin and Continental are more than enough for NA and will last longer. Extreme performance tires for the street can be the Cup 2s or the trofeos found on the DH Handling Package, but these are also overkill for the street IMO and will need replacing more often

 

[MCS]

My thoughts; YMMV.

First; you state "mainly for roll racing and for digs" which is basically like saying "for everything not related to taking a corner" so you are going to have to make compromises because you are fighting two differnt battles here. Tires for digs are sticky sticky and tend to wear quickly while roll racing is much more forgiving on the requirement for grip vs wear.

Second; you aren't going to be Lord of the Streets with an NA S650; even if/when tuning comes out. My previous '21 GT was supercharged + a few extra goodies and even then there were cars on the street that could roast me. Your N/A car will get smacked around like a red headed step child without boost so set your expectations vs. requirements accordingly.

Third; the Michelin PS4S are GREAT tires. For someone who is well into the 600whp range or doing track days. You don't need that kind of ammunition for your N/A street build. Nor do you need the cost and tread wear. Aim a little lower. The Continential Extreme Contact Sports are a decent tire. I've driven a vehicle with them and it seemed to handle well.

I kept my DH HP rims and tires for track days however for my street setup I opted to go with Velgen VF10s (20x10 / 20x11) wrapped in Nitto NT555 G2. 285/35R20 front and 315/35R20 rear. I had these tires before on my 21 GT before it was supercharged and it was a decent blend of grip vs cost. Granted they were 19" rims and the front was a 275 with the rear being a 305 so slightly different feel.

It all depends on what you prioritize; cost, performance, tread wear, wet weather capabilities etc.

 

[ShaneMs650]

Wheels: any flow formed wheels from reputable brands (Apex, Velgen, Project 6GR, SVE/LMR, Steeda, a lot more to list). Flow-formed wheels save a ton of rotating mass. You can go forged, but for street build, it is pretty overkill.
Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 4s or Continental Extreme Contact Sport 02. Have had both and they work extremely well on the street. Lots of people recommend drag radials or streetable drag tires like Mickey Thompsons or Nittos, but in my experience, it's a massive pain to replaces these multiple times a year, especially if one is always on the throttle and spinning them. You mention you're only doing NA, so they may last longer for you, but Michelin and Continental are more than enough for NA and will last longer. Extreme performance tires for the street can be the Cup 2s or the trofeos found on the DH Handling Package, but these are also overkill for the street IMO and will need replacing more often

Thanks a lot! Definitely going to start looking into those now.

My thoughts; YMMV.

First; you state "mainly for roll racing and for digs" which is basically like saying "for everything not related to taking a corner" so you are going to have to make compromises because you are fighting two differnt battles here. Tires for digs are sticky sticky and tend to wear quickly while roll racing is much more forgiving on the requirement for grip vs wear.

Second; you aren't going to be Lord of the Streets with an NA S650; even if/when tuning comes out. My previous '21 GT was supercharged + a few extra goodies and even then there were cars on the street that could roast me. Your N/A car will get smacked around like a red headed step child without boost so set your expectations vs. requirements accordingly.

Third; the Michelin PS4S are GREAT tires. For someone who is well into the 600whp range or doing track days. You don't need that kind of ammunition for your N/A street build. Nor do you need the cost and tread wear. Aim a little lower. The Continential Extreme Contact Sports are a decent tire. I've driven a vehicle with them and it seemed to handle well.

I kept my DH HP rims and tires for track days however for my street setup I opted to go with Velgen VF10s (20x10 / 20x11) wrapped in Nitto NT555 G2. 285/35R20 front and 315/35R20 rear. I had these tires before on my 21 GT before it was supercharged and it was a decent blend of grip vs cost. Granted they were 19" rims and the front was a 275 with the rear being a 305 so slightly different feel.

It all depends on what you prioritize; cost, performance, tread wear, wet weather capabilities etc.

HAHAHA “smacked around like a red headed step child”. Thank you for the honestly, the only reason I haven’t considered saving for supercharger because my mechanic friends tell me how coyotes aren’t supposed to be supercharged since it’s not a pushrod v8. My expectations are really just to be faster than my friends with them being in basically stock charger and lt1 with upgrades in their futures too. Would a whipple really cut down the life of my car?

 

[kagemusha2662]

Thanks a lot! Definitely going to start looking into those now.
HAHAHA “smacked around like a red headed step child”. Thank you for the honestly, the only reason I haven’t considered saving for supercharger because my mechanic friends tell me how coyotes aren’t supposed to be supercharged since it’s not a pushrod v8. My expectations are really just to be faster than my friends with them being in basically stock charger and lt1 with upgrades in their futures too. Would a whipple really cut down the life of my car?

YMMV, but adding any kind of boost is asking a lot of your motor, especially if you are planning on keeping the car a long time. If you are adding boost, you should have enough set aside for a multitude of problems that can potentially come up, including blowing your motor. Obviously if you are mechanically inclined or have had experience, then you can upkeep and maintain the motor as best you can to get more life out of it, but a lot of people these days will throw on the supercharger and expect the same reliability while going full throttle numerous times a day. It's pay to play, so know that adding boost will require a lot more maintenance and upkeep on the user's end than keeping it NA. I'm gonna add the Roush kit soon. Even though it makes less horsepower than the whipple and supposedly is a safer kit/tune than the whipple, I already know I'm gonna be changing the oil on it multiple times a year, replacing spark plugs multiple times a year, and getting the car serviced multiple times a year. Just part of the life when driving a boosted car

 

[ShaneMs650]

YMMV, but adding any kind of boost is asking a lot of your motor, especially if you are planning on keeping the car a long time. If you are adding boost, you should have enough set aside for a multitude of problems that can potentially come up, including blowing your motor. Obviously if you are mechanically inclined or have had experience, then you can upkeep and maintain the motor as best you can to get more life out of it, but a lot of people these days will throw on the supercharger and expect the same reliability while going full throttle numerous times a day. It's pay to play, so know that adding boost will require a lot more maintenance and upkeep on the user's end than keeping it NA. I'm gonna add the Roush kit soon and I already know I'm gonna be changing the oil on it multiple times a year, replacing spark plugs multiple times a year, and getting the car serviced multiple times a year.

Gotcha makes sense. Definitely a lot more to worry when adding a supercharger.

 

[kagemusha2662]

Gotcha makes sense. Definitely a lot more to worry when adding a supercharger.

yup, keep your goals in mind when adding mods. If you want to stick to NA, focus on that for now. Boost is always an option later on if you ever get the bug/itch for it. Just do your research and ask questions before sinking a ton of money into something you are not prepared for financially

 

[HWill]

Thanks a lot! Definitely going to start looking into those now.
HAHAHA “smacked around like a red headed step child”. Thank you for the honestly, the only reason I haven’t considered saving for supercharger because my mechanic friends tell me how coyotes aren’t supposed to be supercharged since it’s not a pushrod v8. My expectations are really just to be faster than my friends with them being in basically stock charger and lt1 with upgrades in their futures too. Would a whipple really cut down the life of my car?

Your mechanic friends don't seem to know much about Coyotes.

YMMV, but adding any kind of boost is asking a lot of your motor, especially if you are planning on keeping the car a long time. If you are adding boost, you should have enough set aside for a multitude of problems that can potentially come up, including blowing your motor. Obviously if you are mechanically inclined or have had experience, then you can upkeep and maintain the motor as best you can to get more life out of it, but a lot of people these days will throw on the supercharger and expect the same reliability while going full throttle numerous times a day. It's pay to play, so know that adding boost will require a lot more maintenance and upkeep on the user's end than keeping it NA. I'm gonna add the Roush kit soon. Even though it makes less horsepower than the whipple and supposedly is a safer kit/tune than the whipple, I already know I'm gonna be changing the oil on it multiple times a year, replacing spark plugs multiple times a year, and getting the car serviced multiple times a year. Just part of the life when driving a boosted car

There is nothing that says a Roush is safer than a Whipple. If you have a good tune there shouldn't be any reason to be changing spark plugs multiply times a year.

 

[kagemusha2662]

Your mechanic friends don't seem to know much about Coyotes.




There is nothing that says a Roush is safer than a Whipple. If you have a good tune there shouldn't be any reason to be changing spark plugs multiply times a year.

Spark plugs is out of my own sanity. Have played the game with two boosted cars in the past (gen 5 Camaro and gen 6 GT) and I’d rather play it safe.

On the safeness of roush vs whipple, I have talked to multiple shops and mechanics and all have told me the same regarding roush vs whipple at least for this gen. They say they trust the 2650 and there are rumors of heating issues with the whipple regarding heat soak as well as the tune running too rich for the cats to survive. Take it with a grain of salt if you want, that’s just what I’ve heard from numerous shops and people I’ve talked to. Roush kit makes enough horsepower for me and the 2650 has been proven on multiple vehicles enough for me to be more comfortable with it

 

[Upacurb]

Step 1
Sell your car

step 2
Buy this
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...ged-gt-dont-drive-it-and-need-it-gone.204599/

step 3
Get new friends that preferably know something about cars and will take appropriate action if you ever talk about a racing seat in a stock base GT again to save weight

step 4
Go with new car and new friends to track

 

[JohnNathan]

My thoughts; YMMV.

First; you state "mainly for roll racing and for digs" which is basically like saying "for everything not related to taking a corner" so you are going to have to make compromises because you are fighting two differnt battles here. Tires for digs are sticky sticky and tend to wear quickly while roll racing is much more forgiving on the requirement for grip vs wear.

Second; you aren't going to be Lord of the Streets with an NA S650; even if/when tuning comes out. My previous '21 GT was supercharged + a few extra goodies and even then there were cars on the street that could roast me. Your N/A car will get smacked around like a red headed step child without boost so set your expectations vs. requirements accordingly.

Third; the Michelin PS4S are GREAT tires. For someone who is well into the 600whp range or doing track days. You don't need that kind of ammunition for your N/A street build. Nor do you need the cost and tread wear. Aim a little lower. The Continential Extreme Contact Sports are a decent tire. I've driven a vehicle with them and it seemed to handle well.

I kept my DH HP rims and tires for track days however for my street setup I opted to go with Velgen VF10s (20x10 / 20x11) wrapped in Nitto NT555 G2. 285/35R20 front and 315/35R20 rear. I had these tires before on my 21 GT before it was supercharged and it was a decent blend of grip vs cost. Granted they were 19" rims and the front was a 275 with the rear being a 305 so slightly different feel.

It all depends on what you prioritize; cost, performance, tread wear, wet weather capabilities etc.

Dude relax, the guy is asking for help not for you to act like a A-hole. My car is N/A and does fine role racing and having a little fun. Dude never said half the stuff you just told him he only needed the third paragraph of your rant you just went on.

 

[MCS]

Dude relax, the guy is asking for help not for you to act like a A-hole. My car is N/A and does fine role racing and having a little fun. Dude never said half the stuff you just told him he only needed the third paragraph of your rant you just went on.

The only person who got butthurt by any of it seems to be you LOL but hey, thanks for comin' out.

The OP took it in the spirit it was intended, having a little fun. There was no ranting or disrespect in any of it.

 

[robvas]

the only reason I haven’t considered saving for supercharger because my mechanic friends tell me how coyotes aren’t supposed to be supercharged since it’s not a pushrod v8.

Nominate this for the wall of shame!

 

[dlgto69]

I was wondering what wheels and tires are other people running and what other suggest for my dedicated build. Right now I have a completely stock S650 Base that came with 18 inch wheels and 255 Continentals. Any suggestions?

The build i’m going for:
I want to be N/A and maximize my performance for a street build. Mainly for roll racing and digs. Since there’s no tuning and I don’t have any mods I don’t think it’s a good idea to get semi slick tires. I definitely want something that’s lightweight.

Future upgrades:
looking into kooks long tube headers, HOPEFULLY A TUNE whenever that’s possible and possibly weight reduction by getting a lightweight seat.

Any suggestions would help, Thanks!!

Before and after, Steeda Trident 20" 10/11 Michelin Pilots 275 and 305 no modifications.

 

[Project6GR Wheels]

I was wondering what wheels and tires are other people running and what other suggest for my dedicated build. Right now I have a completely stock S650 Base that came with 18 inch wheels and 255 Continentals. Any suggestions?

The build i’m going for:
I want to be N/A and maximize my performance for a street build. Mainly for roll racing and digs. Since there’s no tuning and I don’t have any mods I don’t think it’s a good idea to get semi slick tires. I definitely want something that’s lightweight.

Future upgrades:
looking into kooks long tube headers, HOPEFULLY A TUNE whenever that’s possible and possibly weight reduction by getting a lightweight seat.

Any suggestions would help, Thanks!!

our 19'' setup will do great 19x10 19x11 paired with 285/35/19 front and 305 or 325/30/19 michelin 4s for the rear. all our wheels are pretty light in weight

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