"Mach 4" 4-Door Mustang + Off-Road Baja Mustang models previewed at Ford dealers meeting!

[Zig]

But that’s where I go back to those other cars that still did well regardless of name.

I just don’t buy it’ll “save the Mustang” it’s just lazy marketing like @9secondko said. Again when Jim Farley just contradicted himself with; “We will never build a Mustang that isn't a Mustang. For instance, there will never be room for a small, two-row Ford SUV with a Mustang badge stuck on it. But could we explore other Mustang body forms – such as a four-door or similar? I believe we could, as long as these models possess all the performance and attitude of the original.” But they made the Mach E, the last part was just preparing for the Mach 4.

The only way to have all the performance and the attitude and 4-doors (ugh, although now that i think about it lol) is with the Rx-8 treatment, rear (super cab) suicide doors, but is that what they really want or are they looking for a reason to justify the expenditure?

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[Mustang1987]

LOL

A truck is a truck. A coupe is not a sedan.

Back then a truck meant two door.

 

[Mustang1987]

instead, your arguing for a nonsensical naming scheme. The Porsche example was brought up to show how a smart comp ad my does it versus a company grasping at straws currently.

Worked out pretty good for the f150, wrangler, and bronco. And fans of those vehicles complained at first. But they're massive successes.

 

[9secondko]

You're arguing with structuralists. These are people who are trying to rewrite history to make the Mustang a "2-door coupe". Lee Iacocca just wanted a sporty car aimed at younger buyers. Up until the 1990s, affordable cars were 2-door to save money.

Building a 4-door Mustang with a 2.5L hybrid is precisely what Iacocca would do in 2026. Young buyers can't afford the $50k+ a V8 Manual Mustang coupe costs in 2026+, Ford is building the sporty vehicle they can afford, just like it did with the original Mustang.

actually it is you who are trying to rewrite history.

The fact is the mustang has been a two door sports coupe since inception.

trying to pretend it’s done nebulous idea that can be morphed into anything at all is fantasyland.

when anyone in the world since ever thinks of Ford Mustang, past, present, or future, the image is of a two door sports coupe - a smallish car with hot rod powertrain.

not a truck, suv, station wagon, sedan, motorcycle, snowmobile, etc.

 

[9secondko]

Back then a truck meant two door.

not really. It meant a truck, regardless of doors.

Note that the Torino and el Camino were never co fused with trucks or given truck names despite having beds.

 

[Zig]

not a truck, suv, station wagon, sedan, motorcycle, snowmobile, etc.

Nor a seat
https://www.mustangseats.com/

 

[9secondko]

If they make the four door mustang and it looks like a mustang with a V8 and performs like a mustang, just with four doors, that's totally fine with me.

I wouldn't like it if it were a normal sedan with a mustang logo.

That's why I say if it's a mustang with four doors, call it a four door mustang. If it's not, don't call it that.

even better to call it what it is - its own thing.

no one is confused or upset and everyone is happy. If it fails, then it’s not a failure for Mustang. It’s its own thing.
This is called a win-win snd that is generally considered “good business.”

the only thing is you need a marketing team worth anything to make snd market the car. There’s room for more than one performance car in the Ford stable. All these different vehicles don’t need the same name. That’s just foolishness.

 

[9secondko]

So like the same car, but one with two doors and one with four doors lol

If it has four doors and is a sedan, it’s not the same car as a two door coupe.
Simple stuff really.

 

[9secondko]

Nor a seat
https://www.mustangseats.com/

LOL

 

[Mustang1987]

If it has four doors and is a sedan, it’s not the same car as a two door coupe.
Simple stuff really.

Two Wrangler, four door wrangler.. massive success. Two door f150, four door f150.. massive success. Two door bronco, four door bronco... Massive success. They all made the same exact vehicle, but two extra doors. If Ford can do that, it's a mustang.

 

[9secondko]

Two Wrangler, four door wrangler.. massive success. Two door f150, four door f150.. massive success. Two door bronco, four door bronco... Massive success. They all made the same exact vehicle, but two extra doors. If Ford can do that, it's a mustang.

a jeep is a jeep. A truck is a truck.
A coupe is not a sedan.

There has never been a 4 door mustang, ford GT, Camaro, corvette, or viper. To my knowledge there has also never been a 4 door challenger.

nor should there be.

lambo and Porsche do it right. When lambo wanted to make an suv, they called it urus, not countach, Aventador, etc. same with Ferrari.

Porsche made a 911 lookalike with 4 doors and gave it its own name.

ford marketing is going downhill faster than we thought if it thinks giving one cars name to another car is “helping.”

luterally a solution looking for a problem - and actually creating problems where there was none.

 

[Radiant]

actually it is you who are trying to rewrite history.

Iacocca was responsible for the K-platform, he pioneered shared platforms and cost-cutting. He was also essentially the inventor of government automotive bailouts and long-term auto loans. That's historical fact.

Everyone trying to pretend the Mustang, a vehicle offered day-one with an automatic transmission and straight-six engine, is some specific configuration of sports car, is simply believing in Santa Claus. When you're six, you're allowed to believe the Mustang is real. By the time you're thirty-six, it's time to accept it's a mass-market commodity car.

 

[Zig]

Iacocca was responsible for the K-platform, he pioneered shared platforms and cost-cutting. He was also essentially the inventor of government automotive bailouts and long-term auto loans. That's historical fact.

Everyone trying to pretend the Mustang, a vehicle offered day-one with an automatic transmission and straight-six engine, is some specific configuration of sports car, is simply believing in Santa Claus. When you're six, you're allowed to believe the Mustang is real. By the time you're thirty-six, it's time to accept it's a mass-market commodity car.

Why’d you buy it?

 

[Radiant]

Why’d you buy it?

The MagneRide Ecoboost Convertible was competitively priced compared to the cars I was cross-shopping. It's also easy to get maintenance versus an exotic car, so for a daily it was the best fit.

 

[9secondko]

Iacocca was responsible for the K-platform, he pioneered shared platforms and cost-cutting. He was also essentially the inventor of government automotive bailouts and long-term auto loans. That's historical fact.

Everyone trying to pretend the Mustang, a vehicle offered day-one with an automatic transmission and straight-six engine, is some specific configuration of sports car, is simply believing in Santa Claus. When you're six, you're allowed to believe the Mustang is real. By the time you're thirty-six, it's time to accept it's a mass-market commodity car.

we know the history of Iacocca and the mustang.
The point is the mustang is a two door sports coupe and not a 4 door sedan or anything else. Never has been. By the way, even the 1964.5 had v8 engines. Just because it offered a less powerful affordable entry level does detract from its sporty nature. It simply means Ford knew how to sell it to a bigger market than traditional sports cars

we aren’t talking underlying platform. Lots of cars result from a platform. We are talking the ultimate form of a particular nameplate.

in this case, the mustang, which is (and has been since inception) a two door sports coupe.

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