"Mach 4" 4-Door Mustang + Off-Road Baja Mustang models previewed at Ford dealers meeting!

[9secondko]

Meh. No one cares whether EVS THRIVE OR NOT. THEYRE A GREAT OPTION TO HAVE THOUGH.

‘BUT when a hyped SUV falls flat… no make that falls off a cliff, something is wrong.

is it because it’s an ev? Doubtful. Is it because it’s an suv - hardly. Those things sell like hotcakes.

could it possibly be that it has no real identity of its own and that slapping a Mustang sticker on it only serves to confuse things? It’s certainly a worthwhile hypothesis. The Mach e is a really nice looking suv-which is the big selling category. It’s also an ev - which has been the recent rage. But it doesn’t sell.

the branding then? Everyone wants an suv and plenty of folks want an ev. But nobody want to buy and parade around in a pretend Mustang.

even if you want to pretend that the branding didn’t hurt - you must admit that at very least it hasn’t helped.

the weirdos had their little experiment. It failed. Time for Smart people to run things And get on track.

prediction: if ford actually goes in this direction, the grocery getter will sell wel enough to generate some articles applauding the move… for a few months. Then it will tank And Ford will regret the experiment privately while acting like it’s “expected turbulence” in the market.

Mustang Nostradamus says “ just stop. Don’t do it and save yourselves years of embarrassment, IP BRAND DAMAGE, and financial issues.

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[Abana]

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[BoostRabbitGT]

Bit off topic, but is there any article that talks about how Hyundai managed to simulate gear shifts and engine/exhaust sounds on the IONIQ 5 N?

Personally I find that kind of tech intriguing, optimal/optional customization for those who want a bit more personality out of their EVs. That said, I don't think it would make the Mach E more interesting as it is right now...too blob-anonymous outside, too minimalistic inside for me.

 

[Zig]

Guys, let's just drop it. It's clear some of us want a mustang sedan, and some of us don't, and that we're not getting through to each other. So let's just agree to disagree. No more discussing if ford should make a mustang sedan or not, and what it means for the mustang brand, let's just get passed that. Just let people talk in this thread about what sort of features they want, or let it be a place to post cool renderings and ideas for this upcoming sedan, but let's just move passed the bickering. I apologize for the role I played in dragging out these back and forth discussions, in retrospect, I should have just let it go.

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[Stonehauler]

I want Ford to make a performance sedan too because I always thought they could do better than what Chevy offered. G8/SS were cool but they got no love from GM

My only fear is that without a "mustang" name, some bean counter at Ford that doesn't know any better decide that "this vehicle doesn't need a V-8" or "this vehicle doesn't need performance, it needs room for a 5th person in the back", or worse..."this sedan outsells that mustang, we should just get rid of the mustang" and forget that you need both.

Don't count on people at Ford being smart when making decisions. We have already seen that with the Probe. Don't count on them discounting the enthusiasts. Government numbers make a lot more of an impact on them.

I think Ford could do a good performance sedan, but while I would love an M5 competitor...or even an M550i competitor (the old one, not the new one), Ford doesn't have the platform for it. I don't think you could widen or stretch the chassis enough to compete there. But, you could make a M850 Gran coup competitor for a lot less money, and I would buy that every day and twice on Sunday if they priced it at 60k, or a M8 GC at 80k

 

[Zig]

My only fear is that without a "mustang" name, some bean counter at Ford that doesn't know any better decide that "this vehicle doesn't need a V-8" or "this vehicle doesn't need performance, it needs room for a 5th person in the back", or worse..."this sedan outsells that mustang, we should just get rid of the mustang" and forget that you need both.

Don't count on people at Ford being smart when making decisions. We have already seen that with the Probe. Don't count on them discounting the enthusiasts. Government numbers make a lot more of an impact on them.

I think Ford could do a good performance sedan, but while I would love an M5 competitor...or even an M550i competitor (the old one, not the new one), Ford doesn't have the platform for it. I don't think you could widen or stretch the chassis enough to compete there. But, you could make a M850 Gran coup competitor for a lot less money, and I would buy that every day and twice on Sunday if they priced it at 60k, or a M8 GC at 80k

Bean counters count beans what are they doing prognosticating, that’s a job for the ceo.

 

[Mustang1987]

said no one ever.

Said everyone ever twenty years ago. You don't know as much as you think you do. Wranglers were always known and popular for two doors and short wheelbases for climbing/crawling and off road capabilities. Every person in the off road community knows this.

 

[Stonehauler]

Said everyone ever twenty years ago. You don't know as much as you think you do. Wranglers were always known and popular for two doors and short wheelbases for climbing/crawling and off road capabilities. Every person in the off road community knows this.

yep, and now 2 doors only account for 10-15 percent of all Wrangler sales.

This is why parts sharing (and name sharing) would be so important to the 2 door mustang. Keeping the 2 door is vital to the brand. Right now, without the 4 door, the 2 door is close to dead right now. Adding in a parts sharing 4 door would help revitalize the name.

 

[Zig]

yep, and now 2 doors only account for 10-15 percent of all Wrangler sales.

This is why parts sharing (and name sharing) would be so important to the 2 door mustang. Keeping the 2 door is vital to the brand. Right now, without the 4 door, the 2 door is close to dead right now. Adding in a parts sharing 4 door would help revitalize the name.

Knuckles are interchangeable, no need to brand by part compatibility.

 

[Zig]

yep, and now 2 doors only account for 10-15 percent of all Wrangler sales.

This is why parts sharing (and name sharing) would be so important to the 2 door mustang. Keeping the 2 door is vital to the brand. Right now, without the 4 door, the 2 door is close to dead right now. Adding in a parts sharing 4 door would help revitalize the name.

My gt shares over 90% of the parts found on a dh but I can’t (well i could but it wouldn’t be correct/accurate) call it a dh even though 90+% of the time average joe wouldn’t know the difference.

 

[9secondko]

Said everyone ever twenty years ago. You don't know as much as you think you do. Wranglers were always known and popular for two doors and short wheelbases for climbing/crawling and off road capabilities. Every person in the off road community knows this.

that’s great.

yet we aren’t talking about a slow moving off-roader.

a jeep is a jeep. A truck is a truck.

a Mustang is an entirely different animal. A very specific one.

a sporty look, high performance, and as close to a sports car as you can get without sacrificing all convenience.

and that’s the spot the Mustang exists in. It’s the attainable sports car. Not so expensive the Everyman can’t buy one, looks like a dream, makes sacrifices to convenience in order to maintain sports car characteristics, but not so many that it’s impossible to live with - yet just enough that it’s not for everyone - mostly an enthusiast car with just enough convenience to get by with.

what it’s not - a boat to load up at Costco with, a 4 door people mover, or a Home Depot hauler.

the mustang has a very specific identity. Trying to make it other things erodes that identity and degrades the Mustang itself.

all this proposal does is cause market confusion. There will be the “real mustang and then the myriad of pretenders.

 

[Mustang1987]

that’s great.

yet we aren’t talking about a slow moving off-roader.

a jeep is a jeep. A truck is a truck.

a Mustang is an entirely different animal. A very specific one.

a sporty look, high performance, and as close to a sports car as you can get without sacrificing all convenience.

and that’s the spot the Mustang exists in. It’s the attainable sports car. Not so expensive the Everyman can’t buy one, looks like a dream, makes sacrifices to convenience in order to maintain sports car characteristics, but not so many that it’s impossible to live with - yet just enough that it’s not for everyone - mostly an enthusiast car with just enough convenience to get by with.

what it’s not - a boat to load up at Costco with, a 4 door people mover, or a Home Depot hauler.

the mustang has a very specific identity. Trying to make it other things erodes that identity and degrades the Mustang itself.

all this proposal does is cause market confusion. There will be the “real mustang and then the myriad of pretenders.

There can be no comparisons to anything ever again because no two things are identical says 9secondko.

If you don't think a Jeep Wrangler was a very specific vehicle for a very specific purpose, then you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

Bean counters count beans what are they doing prognosticating, that’s a job for the ceo.

I had no idea "prognosticate" was a real word. You learn something new every day I suppose.

On topic, do we even have any confirmation as to what size this Mach-4 will be? (i.e. Charger, Fusion, or Cruze?) I can worry about powerplants and looks later down the road.

 

[MaddNomad]

My only fear is that without a "mustang" name, some bean counter at Ford that doesn't know any better decide that "this vehicle doesn't need a V-8" or "this vehicle doesn't need performance, it needs room for a 5th person in the back", or worse..."this sedan outsells that mustang, we should just get rid of the mustang" and forget that you need both.

Don't count on people at Ford being smart when making decisions. We have already seen that with the Probe. Don't count on them discounting the enthusiasts. Government numbers make a lot more of an impact on them.

I think Ford could do a good performance sedan, but while I would love an M5 competitor...or even an M550i competitor (the old one, not the new one), Ford doesn't have the platform for it. I don't think you could widen or stretch the chassis enough to compete there. But, you could make a M850 Gran coup competitor for a lot less money, and I would buy that every day and twice on Sunday if they priced it at 60k, or a M8 GC at 80k

They definitely have crazy ideas, but the name was already put on a EV so they don’t think of the Mustang name on a sedan means “V8” necessarily. Mustang to them as a sub brand badge means some styling cues and fun to drive nature. (From what they showed us so far)

They’re not opposed to using nameplates either they proved, especially lesser known ones to young people. Maverick is a huge success, Capri was brought back on a European VW EV. Some names just find success with different body styles, Mustang succeeded the two door, sports/GT realm.

Yeah I think a pseudo luxury/GT/performance car would be interesting. The CT4 black wing they were benchmarking had that chassis developed specifically for what they were going for with 3 series and other European sport/luxury sedans.

 

[MaddNomad]

I had no idea "prognosticate" was a real word. You learn something new every day I suppose.

On topic, do we even have any confirmation as to what size this Mach-4 will be? (i.e. Charger, Fusion, or Cruze?) I can worry about powerplants and looks later down the road.

I’m trying to find some of those guys talking about what they saw but I can’t remember where I saw it now. I asked a dude on Reddit who I found. I’ll update whenever he replies or if I find the others.

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