Auto stop start on a 2025 GT premium.

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[Zig]

@Gregs24 if you are contributing to a discussion regarding Co or CO2 in the context of climate change, vehicular and gas usage you are already in a political discussion - like it or not. The stop/start/idling technology does not account for surge dynamics of the system at start -up or with modified idling, which therefore greatly reduces the CO and CO2 reduction efficacy - or the longer term damages to the vehicles from gas dilution and constant stop/start cycles. The USA can not continue to allow certain groups to bankrupt it and its industrial base due to utterly false claims by EPA embracing, virtue signaling, green apostles. The $ 3 trillion cost is paralytic to the American economy and will have no measurable effect on CO or CO2 reduction when compared to the massive output by the non-signatories.

Usually one only conserves that which is desired to be preserved, otherwise - with a finite supply, hurry use it up quick before any real damage occurs and then no more dirty. Doh

 

[Gregs24]

@Gregs24 if you are contributing to a discussion regarding Co or CO2 in the context of climate change, vehicular and gas usage you are already in a political discussion - like it or not. The stop/start/idling technology does not account for surge dynamics of the system at start -up or with modified idling, which therefore greatly reduces the CO and CO2 reduction efficacy - or the longer term damages to the vehicles from gas dilution and constant stop/start cycles. The USA can not continue to allow certain groups to bankrupt it and its industrial base due to utterly false claims by EPA embracing, virtue signaling, green apostles. The $ 3 trillion cost is paralytic to the American economy and will have no measurable effect on CO or CO2 reduction when compared to the massive output by the non-signatories.

Uninformed opinion

 

[Gregs24]

Figures Lie.
Liars figure!

Yes but too many people 'don't believe' figures or information that disagree with what they want to hear. It doesn't make them correct, just ignorant.

 

[Gregs24]

Seven years with it on my F150. It takes a little getting used to, but once you do, it is not a big deal. If you don’t spend a lot of time in stop and go situations, it is insignificant. When you have to wait, it works fine.

Indeed. And for most people most of the time it works just fine and saves a LOT of fuel globally.

The people who have vehement issues with stop start usually have other issues too!

 

[young at heart]

Indeed. And for most people most of the time it works just fine and saves a LOT of fuel globally.

The people who have vehement issues with stop start usually have other issues too!

You paint with a pretty broad brush, and seem to be part of the large group that categorically deems anyone who disagrees with it‘s world view as automatically wrong.

I couldn’t care less about your first statement. And regarding your second generalization, ok, so what? Who doesn’t have issues of some kind? Vehement doesn’t scratch the surface of my hatred of the A.S.S. systems but I’ve managed to struggle along through life for many years fairly successfully. I don’t claim to be right or wrong and I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just being true to myself.

 

[Gregs24]

You paint with a pretty broad brush, and seem to be part of the large group that categorically deems anyone who disagrees with it‘s world view as automatically wrong.

I couldn’t care less about your first statement. And regarding your second generalization, ok, so what? Who doesn’t have issues of some kind? Vehement doesn’t scratch the surface of my hatred of the A.S.S. systems but I’ve managed to struggle along through life for many years fairly successfully. I don’t claim to be right or wrong and I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just being true to myself.

Oh dear!

 

[Tyler Durden]

Simple, I do it every time I get in, I sit down, put my foot on the brake, push the start button then immediately push the cancel start stop button right next to the start/stop button.
If you consider that a hassle then you have more issues than this.

For the record, you can press both buttons at the same time and it will start the car and turn off stop/start simultaneously. It's what I do and it's become second nature at this point to start my car with two fingers.

 

[Farmer Fran]

Seat belts save lives as well, mandated was repealed and now they continue to be ‘optional’. Always stay started is the function of the ‘start (on/off button / keyswitch)’ anything else is simply ‘artificial’ automation. How often do you flush only when the bowel is full? Waste not want not.

If it's yellow let it mellow
If it's brown flush it down

 

[Zig]

For the record, you can press both buttons at the same time and it will start the car and turn off stop/start simultaneously. It's what I do and it's become second nature at this point to start my car with two fingers.

Just don’t add a third or it becomes a salute

 

[bimmerborn]

I rather have this "Auto Start/Stop" button option than other EPA options. I actually like it, and found it useful, because sometimes I get into bad traffic jams and rather engine be off. Plus better battery and starter.
If not Auto Start Stop, there are alternative EPA satisfaction ideas which I had to deal with:
1) 1-4 skip shift on competitor manuals. Meaning on a slow start, you go directly from first gear to 4th. Had to install "Skip Shift Eliminator" which had it's own side effects.
2) AFM Active Fuel Management (or DFM Dynamic) cylinder de-activation. Which killed many automatic cars torque converter, engine valve lifters on manuals, and many many other side effects. Ask me how I know. Again this is competitor brand.

 

[IFFV68]

Yes but too many people 'don't believe' figures or information that disagree with what they want to hear. It doesn't make them correct, just ignorant.

You are an Excellent example of the article you wrote.
If the information doesn’t agree with what you want to hear, Sin Loy!
A very good friends of mine is a scientist at a museum and he said if you study global Warming and dispute the science you won’t get any more Grants Period
But. if you agree with the Science you’ll get plenty of money & be set up for life. Yes he’s set for life. Who is ignorant?
The Stop/Start doesn’t bother me.
I live in Higher Altitude & the Stop/Start doesn’t work properly.
No need to turn it off every time I start it up.

 

[Provaporizer]

Its just part of starting the car. I'm glad it's the closest button to the start button. It would be so annoying if it was buried in a menu or a software button.

Would it be preferable to be disabled? Yes. But if this made the car a bit cheaper ill live with it.

 

[Gregs24]

You are an Excellent example of the article you wrote.
If the information doesn’t agree with what you want to hear, Sin Loy!
A very good friends of mine is a scientist at a museum and he said if you study global Warming and dispute the science you won’t get any more Grants Period
But. if you agree with the Science you’ll get plenty of money & be set up for life. Yes he’s set for life.

Once you learn how to read scientific papers properly you can see very clearly (including where the funding for any research is coming from as well as any conflicts of interest) what is or isn't being deduced and why. More to the point I have never found (and have looked a plenty) for any genuine scientific research that goes against the current consensus on climate change. Plenty of deliberate misinformation and politically motivated opinion pieces but as you must clearly know opinion pieces are not evidence or data driven.

Don't confuse the US with the rest of the world where research also takes place without your politically biased viewpoints.

 

[Gregs24]

I rather have this "Auto Start/Stop" button option than other EPA options. I actually like it, and found it useful, because sometimes I get into bad traffic jams and rather engine be off. Plus better battery and starter.
If not Auto Start Stop, there are alternative EPA satisfaction ideas which I had to deal with:
1) 1-4 skip shift on competitor manuals. Meaning on a slow start, you go directly from first gear to 4th. Had to install "Skip Shift Eliminator" which had it's own side effects.
2) AFM Active Fuel Management (or DFM Dynamic) cylinder de-activation. Which killed many automatic cars torque converter, engine valve lifters on manuals, and many many other side effects. Ask me how I know. Again this is competitor brand.

To be fair cylinder deactivation has come a long way from those early systems and most operate seamlessly and without any ill effects now. A lot more cars have the systems now and many people would have no idea they were there or working. Ford have made over 5 million 3 cylinder Ecoboost engines globally and although the engine does have some issues, cylinder deactivation is not one of them despite almost all of them having it in place.

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