Ford is done making boring cars

[DeluxeStang]

Naw, Farley can keep that.

You're rejecting a V8 manual sedan. I don't care if it has a mustang badge, that makes mustang branding stronger, and more desirable as far as I'm concerned. Iacocca would be proud.

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[MaddNomad]

You're rejecting a V8 manual sedan. I don't care if it has a mustang badge, that makes mustang branding stronger, and more desirable as far as I'm concerned. Iacocca would be proud.

Not rejecting a performance sedan, but a Mustang named one of course. It doesn’t make anything stronger but makes the marketing easier for sure.

 

[Alan Applegate]

Everyone (or so it seems) wants nothing but a manual transmission to be installed in a Mustang, be darned that the 10R80 delivers faster lap and quarter times. Not only that, in Drag mode the 10R80 has already shifted by the time you get the clutch pedal to the floor! So what's the big deal?

You can't find a modern F1 racer with a manual, and I suspect it won't be long until the only option for a Mustang will be an automatic. Manual pundits can bitch, moan, and complain to 10R80 owners no end, but we all know the end is near. Heck, the only reason Pacific Rim hot hatches have manuals is simply the fact those manufactures don't make an automatic with a high-enough torque rating.

 

[AlloyPony]

Or so they claim, they want to create and bring back more "icons". So what would you guys like to see from Ford in terms of iconic, and special cars?

Personally, I'd love to see a new RS 200. I mentioned how in the Ecoboost hybrid mule thread how a high output 2.3 hybrid system with AWD would be a great powertrain option for a revived RS 200. Something with 400 hp or so would really move, especially if it was relatively small, and light.

Ford's own designers worked on a modern RS 200 this year. They're doing the whole "It's not gonna be made" thing, but every brand says that. A new RS 200 that looked like this, but dumbed down for production, and that was comparable in price to things like the c8 stingray and Porsche Cayman would be really cool.

They keep teasing a 4-door Mustang. I think they should do it, but they should call it Thunderbird and it should have the 5.0 V8 and 10-speed trans with rear drive and optional AWD. That would sell like hotcakes. Dodge already proved that.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Not rejecting a performance sedan, but a Mustang named one of course. It doesn’t make anything stronger but makes the marketing easier for sure.

So is Porsche better off after making crossovers and sedans than they were when they only made sports cars? Most people would say yes, hell, everyone would say yes.

Some say it's now the same thing, but it kinda is. You had Porsche, which was basically known for making basically one kind of car, a rear engined 911, the 928 and 944 as well. But this brand only made sports coupes. The sports coupe brand decided to make suvs and sedans using the Porsche name, and 911 sports car design cues. Everyone lost their shit, said it would kill the brand, ruin the company, instead of saved it.

The sports car market is shrinking, if Ford doesn't find creative ways to expand the mustang brand, it won't survive. Some enthusiasts would rather see the mustang die than see a V8 mustang coupe, sedan, and crossover, and that blows my mind. It's like a toddler breaking the toy when they're asked to share because they don't want anyone else to have it.

 

[MaddNomad]

So is Porsche better off after making crossovers and sedans than they were when they only made sports cars? Most people would say yes, hell, everyone would say yes.

Some say it's now the same thing, but it kinda is. You had Porsche, which was basically known for making basically one kind of car, a rear engined 911, the 928 and 944 as well. But this brand only made sports coupes. The sports coupe brand decided to make suvs and sedans using the Porsche name, and 911 sports car design cues. Everyone lost their shit, said it would kill the brand, ruin the company, instead of saved it.

The sports car market is shrinking, if Ford doesn't find creative ways to expand the mustang brand, it won't survive. Some enthusiasts would rather see the mustang die than see a V8 mustang coupe, sedan, and crossover, and that blows my mind. It's like a toddler breaking the toy when they're asked to share because they don't want anyone else to have it.

No the Mustang won’t die if it doesn’t get a 4 door model that’s a lie. Lmao. It’s already been around for 60 years dominating in a segment it created and now sells well against other sports coupes.

Yeah Porsche had to do what Ford and other manufacturers did by making models for the masses yes. But like I’ve said before, they don’t call the sedan a 911 4 door or 911 Panamera, it’s just the Panamera. Ford actually has an advantage over Porsche in a way by having an handful of iconic nameplates with racing pedigree. Which goes with Farley saying they are trying to be in the iconic cars business.

They had legendary nameplates in different regions of the world that everyone knows about actually. Like you referencing the RS200 of Europe (AWD rally) or Falcon of Australia (V8 4 door sedan) not a lot of manufacturers can actually say that.

 

[MAGS1]

Also, @Ford Motor Company , if you’re done making boring cars, stop with the boring colors. Don’t need 5 different shades of gray/silver. Bring back the yellows, oranges and greens. Disappointing that yellow was pulled after 1 model year and not replaced with an orange or green (or even keep the yellow). Love the reds and blues, let’s open up the color palette some more!

That is all.

 

[MaddNomad]

Also, @Ford Motor Company , if you’re done making boring cars, stop with the boring colors. Don’t need 5 different shades of gray/silver. Bring back the yellows, oranges and greens. Disappointing that yellow was pulled after 1 model year and not replaced with an orange or green (or even keep the yellow). Love the reds and blues, let’s open up the color palette some more!

That is all.

Yes!!!! I do wish for something similar to that indulgent blue on the GTD. Such a beautiful blue.

 

[MAGS1]

Yes!!!! I do wish for something similar to that indulgent blue on the GTD. Such a beautiful blue.

Indulgent looks similar to Velocity or Lightning Blue in the pictures. Both were fantastic S550 colors. Grabber Blue seems to be popular enough that they keep bringing back (which I love being a GB owner myself). Bring back a Twister Orange or Orange Fury or School Bus Yellow. Gotta Have It Green was a great color as was Grabber Lime. These are fun cars, they deserve fun colors IMO

 

[Stonehauler]

A V8 RWD or AWD sedan (AND do it right Ford, BMW style AWD with RWD bias, not the FWD bias you've had in most of your AWD cars with way too much torque steer. I looked very hard a Taurus MKS/Taurus SHO, but that torque steer was just too much of a deal killer) would be awesome. I loved my '97 T-Bird and I could see it being a 4 door easily.

I would absolutely love a personal luxury cruiser/performance sedan from Ford. I don't care what you name it, so use the name that makes the most sense to you and your company.

 

[Ricketts]

Yeah, name plays no role on me buying one. 4 door/5.0/6spd and you got my attention!

 

[MaddNomad]

A V8 RWD or AWD sedan (AND do it right Ford, BMW style AWD with RWD bias, not the FWD bias you've had in most of your AWD cars with way too much torque steer. I looked very hard a Taurus MKS/Taurus SHO, but that torque steer was just too much of a deal killer) would be awesome. I loved my '97 T-Bird and I could see it being a 4 door easily.

I would absolutely love a personal luxury cruiser/performance sedan from Ford. I don't care what you name it, so use the name that makes the most sense to you and your company.

Taurus SHO was an interesting/cool car. I remember this guy in my unit loved them so much he made shirts. He was always trying to bait people

 

[Stonehauler]

Taurus SHO was an interesting/cool car. I remember this guy in my unit loved them so much he made shirts. He was always trying to bait people

It was a great car. If it had been a RWD bias I would have bought it.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Not rejecting a performance sedan, but a Mustang named one of course. It doesn’t make anything stronger but makes the marketing easier for sure.

The mustang rides on what's called an orphan platform. It means that platform isn't shared with any other model. That's really bad from a engineering cost standpoint. Ford's CEO recently said how they're all in on mustang, investing more heavily in it that ever. That says to me that we might finally get a new platform moving forward.

Something that could accommodate ICE, hybrids, and EVS to future proof the mustang against any changes in the market. If they develop this platform to also accommodate a sedan, that's gonna distribute the engineering costs across multiple models, improving cost efficiency. That's how a lot of brands are able to sell cars at a reasonable price, and still turn a profit.

I fear with the sports car market shrinking, car companies are gonna enter this vicious cycle of making their cars more expensive, selling less of them, so they have to make them even more expensive to turn a profit, and before you know it, a mustang GT starts at 100k. Having multiple models on the same platform would help guard against this.

I understand falcon, or Thunderbird is what you guys want, but it won't happen. I personally want to see the Galaxie name make a comeback. Hands down Ford's coolest sounding historically significant name that's not being used. Call the mustang sedan a mustang Galaxie, that works imo.

Call a smaller mustang a mustang stallion, and a mid-engine mustang a mustang cobra.

No the Mustang won’t die if it doesn’t get a 4 door model that’s a lie. Lmao. It’s already been around for 60 years dominating in a segment it created and now sells well against other sports coupes.

Yeah Porsche had to do what Ford and other manufacturers did by making models for the masses yes. But like I’ve said before, they don’t call the sedan a 911 4 door or 911 Panamera, it’s just the Panamera. Ford actually has an advantage over Porsche in a way by having an handful of iconic nameplates with racing pedigree. Which goes with Farley saying they are trying to be in the iconic cars business.

They had legendary nameplates in different regions of the world that everyone knows about actually. Like you referencing the RS200 of Europe (AWD rally) or Falcon of Australia (V8 4 door sedan) not a lot of manufacturers can actually say that.

What I'm trying to say is mustang is Porsche, it's gradually distancing itself from the Ford branding, and becoming its own brand. I believe someone said you won't see a single Ford emblem on the outside of a mach-e or mustang coupe. They're turning it into its own thing. So when you look at the mustang as its own brand, suddenly, the idea of having multiple mustang branded vehicles is less offensive.

 

[DeluxeStang]

No the Mustang won’t die if it doesn’t get a 4 door model that’s a lie. Lmao. It’s already been around for 60 years dominating in a segment it created and now sells well against other sports coupes.

Yeah Porsche had to do what Ford and other manufacturers did by making models for the masses yes. But like I’ve said before, they don’t call the sedan a 911 4 door or 911 Panamera, it’s just the Panamera. Ford actually has an advantage over Porsche in a way by having an handful of iconic nameplates with racing pedigree. Which goes with Farley saying they are trying to be in the iconic cars business.

They had legendary nameplates in different regions of the world that everyone knows about actually. Like you referencing the RS200 of Europe (AWD rally) or Falcon of Australia (V8 4 door sedan) not a lot of manufacturers can actually say that.

When I say the mustang would die, I mean the idea of what the mustang is, and always has been. For all the bitching we do on these forums, the mustang is still great value for money with the right options. A base Ecoboost is like 32k. I'm seeing discounted 5.0s brand new for around 40k for a brand new 500 hp V8 sports car.

But the sports car market is getting smaller, while the expectations for new sports cars are getting higher, making design and engineering work a lot more expensive. If the sports car market keeps collapsing, Ford is gonna have to increase the price of the mustang massively. If you're selling half as many cars as you used to, you need to double the price to make as much money. The much higher price acts as a turn off for more people, leading to even fewer sales, and the cycle continues.

Creating another model that shared a shit ton of components with the mustang would allow Ford to distribute those substantial development costs across multiple models. Shouldering the burden, and making it so Ford could sustainably produce the mustang without massively increasing the price.

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