"Mach 4" 4-Door Mustang + Off-Road Baja Mustang models previewed at Ford dealers meeting!

[Mustang1987]

a jeep is a jeep. A truck is a truck.
A coupe is not a sedan.

There has never been a 4 door mustang, ford GT, Camaro, corvette, or viper. To my knowledge there has also never been a 4 door challenger.

nor should there be.

lambo and Porsche do it right. When lambo wanted to make an suv, they called it urus, not countach, Aventador, etc. same with Ferrari.

Porsche made a 911 lookalike with 4 doors and gave it its own name.

ford marketing is going downhill faster than we thought if it thinks giving one cars name to another car is “helping.”

luterally a solution looking for a problem - and actually creating problems where there was none.

Pickup used to mean two door truck with a bed. That's why there's no word for a four door pickup like there is for coupe and sedan. If that's what you're arguing about...

F150 has 2/4 door, bronco has 2/4 door, wrangler has 2/4 door. People complained at the beginning, and now they're staples.

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[MaddNomad]

a jeep is a jeep. A truck is a truck.
A coupe is not a sedan.

There has never been a 4 door mustang, ford GT, Camaro, corvette, or viper. To my knowledge there has also never been a 4 door challenger.

nor should there be.

lambo and Porsche do it right. When lambo wanted to make an suv, they called it urus, not countach, Aventador, etc. same with Ferrari.

Porsche made a 911 lookalike with 4 doors and gave it its own name.

ford marketing is going downhill faster than we thought if it thinks giving one cars name to another car is “helping.”

luterally a solution looking for a problem - and actually creating problems where there was none.

On the idea of trucks…

7:21-18:30
Alex from Lund gives his perspective

 

[9secondko]

Pickup used to mean two door truck with a bed. That's why there's no word for a four door pickup like there is for coupe and sedan. If that's what you're arguing about...

F150 has 2/4 door, bronco has 2/4 door, wrangler has 2/4 door. People complained at the beginning, and now they're staples.

puckup refered to a truck. Some have more doors. It’s still a truck.

cars didn’t even have doors at first (motorwagon Then more.

Then things started to specialize. We had suv types, trucks, sedans, coupes, etc.

Nobody calls an suv a truck. Nobody calls a sedan a coupe.

you can twist and turn all you want, but it’s a straightforward and simple matter.

The Mustang is a two door sports coupe, not a 4 door sedan.

 

[9secondko]

On the idea of trucks…

7:21-18:30
Alex from Lund gives his pov

BOOM!

Take it from someone who knows a thing or two about what the Mustang is and isn’t.

/thread.

 

[Mustang1987]

puckup refered to a truck. Some have more doors. It’s still a truck.

cars didn’t even have doors at first (motorwagon Then more.

Then things started to specialize. We had suv types, trucks, sedans, coupes, etc.

Nobody calls an suv a truck. Nobody calls a sedan a coupe.

you can twist and turn all you want, but it’s a straightforward and simple matter.

The Mustang is a two door sports coupe, not a 4 door sedan.

It referred to a truck because that's all there was. The four full size door truck is a relatively new thing.

And what about the Wrangler. And bronco? I see you ignored those massive successes.

The Mustang will be like the Bronco and Wrangler and pickup truck and new Charger. 2 door/4 door.

 

[Radiant]

Pickup used to mean two door truck with a bed. That's why there's no word for a four door pickup like there is for coupe and sedan. If that's what you're arguing about...

F150 has 2/4 door, bronco has 2/4 door, wrangler has 2/4 door. People complained at the beginning, and now they're staples.

Even "coupe" doesn't mean 2-door. Coupes were small versions of full coaches in the horse-drawn days, they were "cut" (french "couper") shorter. But if we're getting to that level of pedantry it's worth mentioning purists are arguing for the Fastback (1967+) not the original Mustang coupe.

EDIT - At least I assume they are, because if I was going to die on the that hill, I'd be citing Steve McQueen:

 

[9secondko]

Even "coupe" doesn't mean 2-door. Coupes were small versions of full coaches in the horse-drawn days, they were "cut" (french "couper") shorter. But if we're getting to that level of pedantry it's worth mentioning purists are arguing for the Fastback (1967+) not the original Mustang coupe.

EDIT - At least I assume they are, because if I was going to die on the that hill, I'd be citing Steve McQueen:

um… that’s why I said TWO DOOR sports coupe.

 

[9secondko]

It referred to a truck because that's all there was. The four full size door truck is a relatively new thing.

And what about the Wrangler. And bronco? I see you ignored those massive successes.

The Mustang will be like the Bronco and Wrangler and pickup truck and new Charger. 2 door/4 door.

except the mustang is nothing like the charger (a big sedan), a truck, or a friggin jeep. No matter how many mental gymnastics classes you take

nothing was ignored other than your continued pretending the facts are not laid out. A truck is a truck. A jeep is a jeep. Simple. Number of doors don’t define a truck. That has zero to do with a “two door sports coupe.” You can have a 4 door coupe as weird as that would be. But it wouldn’t be a two door sports coupe, which is what the mustang is.

it makes as much sense as turning the ford GT into a 4 door sedan

The mustang is a 2 door sports coupe and has always been such. It doesn’t need to be anything else.

ford simply wants to sell other vehicles and thinks that calling them all the same thing will somehow help.

judging by the Mach e sales, it’s having the exact opposite effect.

 

[9secondko]

When anyone in the world hears the term Ford Mustang, a certain image comes to mind.

it’s either a historical image of any numbers of two door sports coupes from various eras, or some dream visions of a hot rod two door sports coupe in the future.

what doesn’t come to mind is a 4 door sedan, a jeep of all things, a truck, an SUV, or a dodge charger.

the original is still the best. It has been to hell and back (mustang 2), found every way to stay relevant, avoided extinction (ford probe), and came back better. It has seen the deaths of its rivals and galloped onward. It has seen the resurrection of more determined rivals and rose to the occasion, it has seen paradigm shifts in the auto industry and successfully stayed true to itself (without becoming something else).

the Mustang is an American icon, the harbinger of an entire automotive category, and the epitome of the attainable sports car. This crap is an absolute slap in the face of not only Mustang fans, but the Mustang itself. How sad.

 

[sigintel]

The 4 door is just an excuse to rework the chassis to host the debut AWD Coyote and get slightly better balance than S550 AWD mule.

 

[Radiant]

When anyone in the world hears the term Ford Mustang, a certain image comes to mind.

Is it high school kids doing donuts in a mall parking lot?

The 4 door is just an excuse to rework the chassis to host the debut AWD Coyote and get slightly better balance than S550 AWD mule.

Well, that and the 2.5L hybrid AWD from the 2025 Maverick. The bulk of these are not going to be sold with Coyote engines, that fanbase is (mostly) loyal to their proper 2-door Fastback Sports Coupe. That said, there's probably some pent-up demand for the Coyote variant at least in the first year.

 

[DeluxeStang]

At least in Porsche and Lamborghini, they were brands making new vehicles-not making the 911 or Aventador into sedans or hatchbacks. Corvette and mustang were not and are not brands. The shift to a brand is again part of them getting the sheep to follow suit. I guess I will hold onto what I have or buy used because I will be damned if any new car money of mine goes to supporting any of this. And for a family car, I can support the likes of Kia that are not in this space. I would 100% rather see the Mustang nameplate die. There has been nothing definitive on the Corvette SUV...not like this dealer meeting report on the @#$%ing mustang sedan. But you are probably right unfortunately.

I get where you guys are coming from, but here's the thing, you're viewing the brand as Ford, and the mustang as a model. Ford is viewing the mustang and bronco basically as their own brands, and things like coupe and mach-e are the model.

In other words, Ford doesn't seem the mustang as the 911, they see it as Porsche. I can definitely see how this is odd to many mustang fans, as it's basically been a standalone model this entire time, but there's a lot of evidence to suggest Ford always wanted to do multiple mustang models at various points in history.

Just like with Porsche, there was a time when Porsche basically only made the 911, that was basically all they were known for, a single model. So many people said that a Porsche sedan and SUVs with 911 styling cues, and a Porsche badge would kill the brand, that was basically everyone in Porsche fan clubs. Turns out making Porsche suvs and sedans basically saved the Porsche brand.

Yeah, seeing the mustang name on an electric crossover was weird at first, but the mach-e is genuinely a great car. For an electric SUV, it looks great, it's faster accelerating to 60 than the gt500 in gt performance trim, it handles half decently.

 

[9secondko]

The Mach e is a good ev suv. And should have its own name.
It’s certainly not a mustang and the public don’t see it as such.

probably a good portion of the reason it’s not selling despite being an suv.

 

[DeluxeStang]

It's freaking wild to me how people can seriously thing a V8 powered performance sedan will tarnish the mustangs heritage when you had things like the '71-73 land barge, or pinto based mustang 2. Most of the mustang sedan renderings I've seen are better looking than basically any mustang from 71 through the 90s, and will outperform them all day long.

The mustang 2 was a pinto
The foxbody was a hatchback that looked like it wanted to be an American ae86 Corolla with flared fenders, the 90s mustangs were blobs on wheels. There are lots of mustangs throughout history that were nothing like the original mustang in looks, driving dynamics, engine options, etc.

People say just having a 4 door option will kill the mustang. But the charger went 4 door only for decades, and thrived. I don't see how having a a two and a four door mustang is a huge turn off.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Is it high school kids doing donuts in a mall parking lot?





Well, that and the 2.5L hybrid AWD from the 2025 Maverick. The bulk of these are not going to be sold with Coyote engines, that fanbase is (mostly) loyal to their proper 2-door Fastback Sports Coupe. That said, there's probably some pent-up demand for the Coyote variant at least in the first year.

I own a maverick with a 2.5 hybrid. The 2.5 is a rock solid reliable, last longer than you sort of hybrid system, very reliable, and fuel efficient. But it's not terribly fast, 0-60 in the maverick hybrid is about 7 seconds.

So that powertrain isn't happening for a mustang. The cheap, low emissions EVs are coming with the EV Ford sedan Ford is developing on their upcoming affordable EV platform. At least Ford is showing EV sedans sketches at dealer meetings.

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