Mustang GTD documentary coming Dec. 10th

[DeluxeStang]

Ford is certainly capable of making a durable turbo V8. Plenty of automakers achieve this. Sure it would've been uncharted territory for them but a turbo platform would've made the cooling load more manageable.

Look at Steve Luca's turbo GT500 time attack build. 1,000 hp and runs lap after lap.

But my point is if you start with an engine you already know is really reliable, and powerful, then that's half the battle of making a great track car already done. We have to look at this rationally, we know the 5.2 is strong enough to be boosted to insane power outputs, well over a thousand hp if you want to. So if Ford is making this the ultimate mustang, with the goal of making it as fast around a track as possible, why didn't they push for four digits?

I believe the answer is balance. I can guarantee they tested multiple power outputs extensively, because that's what engineers do, and came to the conclusion that just over 800 hp was the best balance between power, and handling. Anything less, and you're compromising on straight line pace, anything more, and the car wouldn't handle as well or be as effective at putting it's power down.

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[DeluxeStang]

Ford is certainly capable of making a durable turbo V8. Plenty of automakers achieve this. Sure it would've been uncharted territory for them but a turbo platform would've made the cooling load more manageable.

Look at Steve Luca's turbo GT500 time attack build. 1,000 hp and runs lap after lap.

So why does that matter? It means that even if Ford had developed a new engine, a turbocharged V8, they probably wouldn't have pushed it any harder than they're pushing the 5.2. I highly doubt a turbocharged motor would have led to a much higher power output for this application for reasons previously stated.

So all you're left with is a new unproven engine that's basically the same power level as the engine you already had.

 

[DeluxeStang]

I still don’t get all the negativity in regards to the GTD. It should be celebrated not berated. But all I read is should have been this, it should have been that. Why didn’t they do this, or that.

And if it doesn’t beat the GT2, or even the ZL1, the world will not end. It will still be a world class car and a Mustang at that. Let those who are plucking down their $300k+ decide whether or not to cancel their orders over this. I doubt any will.

It's because some car enthusiasts are whiny little bitches. The amount of dipshits who don't even understand the level of engineering and design work that goes into a car like this, and then bitch about the price piss me off. Sorry for being so blunt, but I'm just tired of seeing how stupid some enthusiasts can be. The amount of comments I've seen online from people saying "Oh it's way more expensive than a hellcat or a Shelby and doesn't offer that much more power".

This isn't some, we threw a supercharger on and some wider tires and called it a day, kinda car. Literally every aspect of the car was re-engineered to make it as fast as possible. It's freaking insane how you and I are having to defend a mustang that's so badass that it's gonna beat a multi million dollar McLaren p1 around a track, and yet that annoys people because it's expensive. It's like yeah, and so is every other car that offers that level of performance from the factory.

You get it, I get it, some others on this site get it. But a lot of people are too stupid to understand why the GTD, a hand built, relatively low volume, full carbon fiber, supercharged V8 with a dual clutch, active areo, and F1 inspired suspension, why a car like that is expensive.

 

[9secondko]

So why does that matter? It means that even if Ford had developed a new engine, a turbocharged V8, they probably wouldn't have pushed it any harder than they're pushing the 5.2. I highly doubt a turbocharged motor would have led to a much higher power output for this application for reasons previously stated.

So all you're left with is a new unproven engine that's basically the same power level as the engine you already had.

Dude. it matters A LOT. And Ford could get well over 1,000 HP with a V8 that has been vetted as thoroughly as the TTV6. It would mean no heat soak, massive power increase in both torque and horsepower. It would mean faster lap times, period. And that's not to mention the 1320 increases, 0-60, top speed, etc. In short, it's an order of magnitude better car.

For the asking price, the car deserved better than a multimatic suspension and a body kit. It should have a bespoke engine as well. ford jsust never seems to push the envelope when they think they are safe. Then history repeats itself and we watch the competition come in and embarass it. As Mustang fans, It sucks. it really, really sucks.

If the 60k GT350 could have a bespoke engine developed for it, going to lengths to make the largest FPC engine at the time, solving the vibration issues, etc., then 1000% the unobtainum GTD can slap some turbos on a a bullteproof engine with extra heat shielding, and vibration damping. It's just not a debateable issue.

Ford has the tech. They mroe more expert at turbocharging at this point than supercharging. It wouldn't be a crazy ask. Then they could take that develpment, paid for by a crazy expensie car that no one has an issue with costing so much and trickle it down to the mainstream.

Shortsightedness is the issue. Sadly, it's alive as ever at Ford. Someone really needs to have some fire breathing at their back over this. Whoever was in charge simply did too little when the occasion called for the kitchen sink.

 

[zpduff]

It's because some car enthusiasts are whiny little bitches. The amount of dipshits who don't even understand the level of engineering and design work that goes into a car like this, and then bitch about the price piss me off. Sorry for being so blunt, but I'm just tired of seeing how stupid some enthusiasts can be. The amount of comments I've seen online from people saying "Oh it's way more expensive than a hellcat or a Shelby and doesn't offer that much more power".

This isn't some, we threw a supercharger on and some wider tires and called it a day, kinda car. Literally every aspect of the car was re-engineered to make it as fast as possible. It's freaking insane how you and I are having to defend a mustang that's so badass that it's gonna beat a multi million dollar McLaren p1 around a track, and yet that annoys people because it's expensive. It's like yeah, and so is every other car that offers that level of performance from the factory.

You get it, I get it, some others on this site get it. But a lot of people are too stupid to understand why the GTD, a hand built, relatively low volume, full carbon fiber, supercharged V8 with a dual clutch, active areo, and F1 inspired suspension, why a car like that is expensive.

Most people are overwhelming negative, sucks but it's the way people are. I think the GTD is a really weird decision but still a super cool car. Can't wait to watch the Nurburgring documentary.

 

[Bikeman315]

Dude. it matters A LOT. And Ford could get well over 1,000 HP with a V8 that has been vetted as thoroughly as the TTV6. It would mean no heat soak, massive power increase in both torque and horsepower. It would mean faster lap times, period. And that's not to mention the 1320 increases, 0-60, top speed, etc. In short, it's an order of magnitude better car.

For the asking price, the car deserved better than a multimatic suspension and a body kit. It should have a bespoke engine as well. ford jsust never seems to push the envelope when they think they are safe. Then history repeats itself and we watch the competition come in and embarass it. As Mustang fans, It sucks. it really, really sucks.

If the 60k GT350 could have a bespoke engine developed for it, going to lengths to make the largest FPC engine at the time, solving the vibration issues, etc., then 1000% the unobtainum GTD can slap some turbos on a a bullteproof engine with extra heat shielding, and vibration damping. It's just not a debateable issue.

Ford has the tech. They mroe more expert at turbocharging at this point than supercharging. It wouldn't be a crazy ask. Then they could take that develpment, paid for by a crazy expensie car that no one has an issue with costing so much and trickle it down to the mainstream.

Shortsightedness is the issue. Sadly, it's alive as ever at Ford. Someone really needs to have some fire breathing at their back over this. Whoever was in charge simply did too little when the occasion called for the kitchen sink.

You can keep repeating the same drivel until Ford discontinues the Mustang but it doesn't change a thing. The GTD is what it is. It's not going to be changed. None of the things you're asking for, however relevant, are going to happen. So, I suggest not buying one and just move on. Your negativity is a real downer.

 

[agreywolfe]

There's a reason the Dodge demon only goes in straight lines and the Corvette went mid engine. Fords doing the best with what they have without drastically overhauling the mustang formula.

And for those complaining about horsepower just remember the only front engine car under 7 minutes at the Nordschleife is a 700hp Mercedes.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Dude. it matters A LOT. And Ford could get well over 1,000 HP with a V8 that has been vetted as thoroughly as the TTV6. It would mean no heat soak, massive power increase in both torque and horsepower. It would mean faster lap times, period. And that's not to mention the 1320 increases, 0-60, top speed, etc. In short, it's an order of magnitude better car.

For the asking price, the car deserved better than a multimatic suspension and a body kit. It should have a bespoke engine as well. ford jsust never seems to push the envelope when they think they are safe. Then history repeats itself and we watch the competition come in and embarass it. As Mustang fans, It sucks. it really, really sucks.

If the 60k GT350 could have a bespoke engine developed for it, going to lengths to make the largest FPC engine at the time, solving the vibration issues, etc., then 1000% the unobtainum GTD can slap some turbos on a a bullteproof engine with extra heat shielding, and vibration damping. It's just not a debateable issue.

Ford has the tech. They mroe more expert at turbocharging at this point than supercharging. It wouldn't be a crazy ask. Then they could take that develpment, paid for by a crazy expensie car that no one has an issue with costing so much and trickle it down to the mainstream.

Shortsightedness is the issue. Sadly, it's alive as ever at Ford. Someone really needs to have some fire breathing at their back over this. Whoever was in charge simply did too little when the occasion called for the kitchen sink.

But what is the point of the GTD running around with 1,000 hp if a RWD car is gonna struggle to put that much power down compromising on the very track performance the GTD was developed to have in the first place? If it was mid-engine with a weight bias over the drive wheels, it might do ok, but even then you might be pushing it.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Dude. it matters A LOT. And Ford could get well over 1,000 HP with a V8 that has been vetted as thoroughly as the TTV6. It would mean no heat soak, massive power increase in both torque and horsepower. It would mean faster lap times, period. And that's not to mention the 1320 increases, 0-60, top speed, etc. In short, it's an order of magnitude better car.

For the asking price, the car deserved better than a multimatic suspension and a body kit. It should have a bespoke engine as well. ford jsust never seems to push the envelope when they think they are safe. Then history repeats itself and we watch the competition come in and embarass it. As Mustang fans, It sucks. it really, really sucks.

If the 60k GT350 could have a bespoke engine developed for it, going to lengths to make the largest FPC engine at the time, solving the vibration issues, etc., then 1000% the unobtainum GTD can slap some turbos on a a bullteproof engine with extra heat shielding, and vibration damping. It's just not a debateable issue.

Ford has the tech. They mroe more expert at turbocharging at this point than supercharging. It wouldn't be a crazy ask. Then they could take that develpment, paid for by a crazy expensie car that no one has an issue with costing so much and trickle it down to the mainstream.

Shortsightedness is the issue. Sadly, it's alive as ever at Ford. Someone really needs to have some fire breathing at their back over this. Whoever was in charge simply did too little when the occasion called for the kitchen sink.

You can have more power than God, but if you're trying to put it to the ground using ice skates, you aren't gonna get very far. The GTD has really good tires, but even the best tires have limits as to how much power they can put down, especially if you're running two wheel drive.

Be cautious with chasing after horsepower friend, you hit that wall in one way or another. If it's not reliability, it's driveability, usually it's both.

 

[9secondko]

You can keep repeating the same drivel until Ford discontinues the Mustang but it doesn't change a thing. The GTD is what it is. It's not going to be changed. None of the things you're asking for, however relevant, are going to happen. So, I suggest not buying one and just move on. Your negativity is a real downer.

the only “drivel“ drips from your keyboard.
and the only dowwner is when people like you try to crap on the opinions of others. This isn’t the positivity parade. It’s a discussion forum. There are things to be happy about and things to be disappointed in. We talk about it all. You might enjoy cheerleading everything ford does from calling an suv a “Mustang” onwards, but most of us think for ourselves, thanks. So try playing nice or don’t play at all.

 

[9secondko]

You can have more power than God, but if you're trying to put it to the ground using ice skates, you aren't gonna get very far. The GTD has really good tires, but even the best tires have limits as to how much power they can put down, especially if you're running two wheel drive.

Be cautious with chasing after horsepower friend, you hit that wall in one way or another. If it's not reliability, it's driveability, usually it's both.

in reality, you can overpower anything even at gt500 power levels.
‘’also in reality, more power in the GTD simply makes it a more capable car. This includes lap times , acceleration, and top speed.

and power levels are only/ part of the equation. Heat soak is a big issue for supercharged cars and it comes on fast. Turbo is the way to go for a track car - which the GTD unequivocally is.

 

[9secondko]

The gt3 has a 6:44.84 ‘ring time.
Ford amd multimatic stated in an interview the point of the Gtd was the best the gt3.
Sub-7 isn’t the goal. Beating the gt3 is the goal.

They made a big deal of claiming the massive horsepower deficit between the two cars would be enough to accomplish the goal with all the rest done to the Mustang.

a 6:44 or under would be amazing. Here’s hoping they succeeded.

 

[Evo1986]

This attempt was never meant to beat a Porsche 911 GT2 RS MR or a Mercedes AMG One, as they play ping pong in their own league. Ford's ambition is to be the fastes American production car. This title currently holds the Dodge Viper ACR with 7:01,30 minutes. Just for your reference, the Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 Superveloce has a time of 6:59,73 minutes.

 

[DeluxeStang]

The gt3 has a 6:44.84 ‘ring time.
Ford amd multimatic stated in an interview the point of the Gtd was the best the gt3.
Sub-7 isn’t the goal. Beating the gt3 is the goal.

They made a big deal of claiming the massive horsepower deficit between the two cars would be enough to accomplish the goal with all the rest done to the Mustang.

a 6:44 or under would be amazing. Here’s hoping they succeeded.

There was an interview from the head of Multimatic some time ago where he hunted they'd at least get close to the time set by the GT3.

 

[9secondko]

There was an interview from the head of Multimatic some time ago where he hunted they'd at least get close to the time set by the GT3.

he said they’d beat it. Someone mentioned the g one and they said realistically the Gtd is not matching that.

if the Gtd succeeds in beating the gt3, then we can all be excited about that.

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