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[budman00000]

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[Back2Gas]

Hey man, while I don't necessarily agree with the naming convention of the "Mustang" Mach-E, I can acknowledge the fact that without its existence the V8 would probably be dead.

 

[agreywolfe]

its a well known fact that car compaines use extremely high fuel mileage cars as leverage to allow them to make their high performance versions. its part of why Ford moved from the V6 to the Ecoboost, its part of why they have the F-150 Lightining. Hell, just look at the Aston Martin Cygnet, the personification of the idea that would have never been made had regulations not demanded AM reduce emissions overall.

 

[NS90]

its a well known fact that car compaines use extremely high fuel mileage cars as leverage to allow them to make their high performance versions. its part of why Ford moved from the V6 to the Ecoboost, its part of why they have the F-150 Lightining. Hell, just look at the Aston Martin Cygnet, the personification of the idea that would have never been made had regulations not demanded AM reduce emissions overall.

This is true, but money talks and bullshit walks. F-150 ICE in the month of June outsold Mach-E and Lightning in it's entire existence. To presume the basis of the Mustang ICE is propped up by those two vehicle lines is asinine.

 

[agreywolfe]

This is true, but money talks and bullshit walks. F-150 ICE in the month of June outsold Mach-E and Lightning in it's entire existence. To presume the basis of the Mustang ICE is propped up by those two vehicle lines is asinine. Takes money to make money

sure it sounds asinine, but if you take your head out of your ass for more than 15 seconds youll find the EPA doesnt give two shits about sales numbers, they care about overall production numbers, Ford can treat their gen 1 EVs as a loss leader all they want, their existance is what lets us keep driving these V8's wheather they sit on a lot or in a garage.

 

[Rio Lobo]

its a well known fact that car compaines use extremely high fuel mileage cars as leverage to allow them to make their high performance versions. its part of why Ford moved from the V6 to the Ecoboost, its part of why they have the F-150 Lightining. Hell, just look at the Aston Martin Cygnet, the personification of the idea that would have never been made had regulations not demanded AM reduce emissions overall.

Dodge can keep making 392 and HC engines to put in their cars because of all the economical cars they've been selling.

Wait, what? The next generation will be an inline 6 cylinder followed by a full electric?

The mustang would likely be an ecoboost V6 and the I4 if it weren't for the Mach and Lightning. Believe what you want, but Dodge is already telling the tale of what happened when you ignore the Cafe standards. (Hint: the Hornet wasn't built because they needed a Hellcat CUV)

 

[Rio Lobo]

This is true, but money talks and bullshit walks. F-150 ICE in the month of June outsold Mach-E and Lightning in it's entire existence. To presume the basis of the Mustang ICE is propped up by those two vehicle lines is asinine.

The F150 is a different animal EPA wise. Plus it's the best selling vehicle for decades. Of course it sold more than anything else on the planet.

Ford would just stop making the ICE mustang period if it didn't have the enthusiast base and history. They already killed all their other cars because the rules are different for making trucks. Plus they could just use all the production capacity for profitable vehicles: trucks and SUVs.

 

[Stangerous]

It's very possible.... I know meetings we're taking place just didn't expect the decision to come until tmrw / wed but I'm with you seeing is believing. Model E keeps getting hammered so they need ICE vehicles to come to the rescue to appease shareholders

Q3 reports are just around the corner.

 

[dfwford]

This is true, but money talks and bullshit walks. F-150 ICE in the month of June outsold Mach-E and Lightning in it's entire existence. To presume the basis of the Mustang ICE is propped up by those two vehicle lines is asinine.

I have to agree.

Plus, there's the fact that much of the tooling/architecture is already paid for with the F-150, so Ford is able to pocket a much larger share of its revenue as profit.

Now, if one said the F-150 ICE is propping up the Mustang, that would make a lot more sense.

 

[dfwford]

sure it sounds asinine, but if you take your head out of your ass for more than 15 seconds youll find the EPA doesnt give two shits about sales numbers, they care about overall production numbers, Ford can treat their gen 1 EVs as a loss leader all they want, their existance is what lets us keep driving these V8's wheather they sit on a lot or in a garage.

It still takes a ton of money to produce these cars though, and the EPA (or, by proxy, the Fed) isn't coughing up nearly enough of that cash, last I checked.

Common sense dictates (and even Ford's own financial statements will reveal) it is still ICE Trucks and SUVs doing much of the heavy lifting.

BTW, Ford has already admitted they're set to LOSE $4.5 Billion on their EVs. Unless the rules of math has changed, nothing from nothing gets nothing...

 

[Rio Lobo]

Balancing out cafe standards was due to the electric vehicles. Profit (from a vehicle sales standpoint) is accomplished by the big trucks and SUVs. Both were needed to justify keeping a V8 mustang. A substantial enthusiast base and historic Americana help too.

 

[dfwford]

Balancing out cafe standards was due to the electric vehicles. Profit (from a vehicle sales standpoint) is accomplished by the big trucks and SUVs. Both were needed to justify keeping a V8 mustang. A substantial enthusiast base and historic Americana help too.

That's fair.

I can go along with it being a little bit of both.

 

[agreywolfe]

It still takes a ton of money to produce these cars though, and the EPA (or, by proxy, the Fed) isn't coughing up nearly enough of that cash, last I checked.

Common sense dictates (and even Ford's own financial statements will reveal) it is still ICE Trucks and SUVs doing much of the heavy lifting.

BTW, Ford has already admitted they're set to LOSE $4.5 Billion on their EVs. Unless the rules of math has changed, nothing from nothing gets nothing...

right but thats thinking in binaries where everything is in its own special bubble. its easier to lose 4.5 billion on EVs than it is to lose the 6-8 billion/year they make on F150s

Ford is willingly making the loss here because its what makes them the most money overall, the F150s sales justify the EVs existance as the EVs are what allow Ford to keep selling the F150s

 

[NS90]

right but thats thinking in binaries where everything is in its own special bubble. its easier to lose 4.5 billion on EVs than it is to lose the 6-8 billion/year they make on F150s

Ford is willingly making the loss here because its what makes them the most money overall, the F150s sales justify the EVs existance as the EVs are what allow Ford to keep selling the F150s

SO my head wasn't in my ass then and I understood CAFE requirements properly. Thank you sir

 

[NS90]

Q3 reports are just around the corner.

8/4!

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