You need to watch this: You could be hit with huge insurance costs and warranty denial.

[ListedGuru]

That also means no updates?

UPDATE: Just checked mine and some of those naughty naughty features were on. Turned off everything except Ford Assist which I don't use but I may one day? I am thinking of turning LOCATION services back on as long as it doesn't data log the other less desirable stuff.

Hope it's worth the $10-$100 you get per person Ford cause I suspect you are going to have a lot of people going to the used market to purchase pre-orwellian vehicles.

*gasp* Kinda screws your long term revenue plans doesn't it? Shocking, isn't it? Buckle up, buttercup.

Kinda makes you wonder why the US and CANADIAN governments don't want to allow Chinese vehicles into the north american market! Our own domestic automakers are kinda doing the same thing; except for corporate revenue.

What features did you turn off? IIRC there is something like share driving data that I turned off and maybe something else, I guess I'll have to double check this.

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[Mr Hyde]

What features did you turn off? IIRC there is something like share driving data that I turned off and maybe something else, I guess I'll have to double check this.

Never ever trust software turn it off toggles. it will stop some but the amount of data that they label "anonymous" is staggering. Taken in isolation it is unidentifiable as yours, but once brokers start aggregating data from different devices and sources it paints a very clear picture of you.

 

[MCS]

What features did you turn off? IIRC there is something like share driving data that I turned off and maybe something else, I guess I'll have to double check this.

Everything but location services and whatever that one forces you to turn on. Diagnostics I believe (air pressure fuel etc).

Yes there was a driving info one too and that was actually turned on. If I all of a sudden get a 20% rate hike next month for my renewal I’ll know what happened and will see about options that time.

 

[Mikestang24]

Lexisnexis is the scumbag company that collects the data and sends to insurance companies. There is a way to remove all your information from their "service " but I haven't done it yet. Very chicken shit of ford to provide the data on the first place. These cars are performance vehicles intended to be driven spirited. No wrecks, no tickets= no problem. I did toggle off the data sharing feature, but don't trust it. Eventually there will be lawsuits for breach of privacy, but until then they are watching. Snitches get stitches. Thanks for letting me rant.

 

[MAT1955]

Hyundai just made the news where I live and not in a good way. They sold a young guy one of their rice rockets with the Hyundai "track pack". Guess what - the kid took it to a bona fide track. Go figure? At some point - very low mileage and very few months the car developed engine problems. Hyundai said we want 10K for a new engine. Why? They said their data showed He hit the red line a few times too many. He had the window sticker with the charges for the track pack. It's not settled yet - Hyundai is "reviewing" the case. Ford sells track packages .......

 

[Gregs24]

Hyundai just made the news where I live and not in a good way. They sold a young guy one of their rice rockets with the Hyundai "track pack". Guess what - the kid took it to a bona fide track. Go figure? At some point - very low mileage and very few months the car developed engine problems. Hyundai said we want 10K for a new engine. Why? They said their data showed He hit the red line a few times too many. He had the window sticker with the charges for the track pack. It's not settled yet - Hyundai is "reviewing" the case. Ford sells track packages .......

This really isn't new. My Lotus Evora from 2012 had downloadable data - any prospective buyer could see information about revs, speed, braking and all sorts of other stuff in a nice report.

 

[Alan Applegate]

I have two thoughts on all of this. One is a rewrite the provisions of the Magnusson-Moss act. I don't suspect that will happen under the current political climate. It should!

Ford says their Mustang is race-ready, so if you do, then what? Isn't that hidden in the meaning of "Track Mode"? That question ask, I suspect that everyday stop and start driving is as hard on the inter-workings, if not more so, than a few trips down the quarter and/or a few laps around the oval!

One more question: Where is Steve Lehto when you need him?

 

[Gregs24]

I have two thoughts on all of this. One is a rewrite the provisions of the Magnusson-Moss act. I don't suspect that will happen under the current political climate. It should!

Ford says their Mustang is race-ready, so if you do, then what? Isn't that hidden in the meaning of "Track Mode"? That question ask, I suspect that everyday stop and start driving is as hard on the inter-workings, if not more so, than a few trips down the quarter and/or a few laps around the oval!

One more question: Where is Steve Lehto when you need him?

It is very clear in this that the warranty doesn't cover motorsport / rallying / racing. Page 11.

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[Skye]

With respect to racing and track time, several threads at the 6G site document Driver experiences.

While Ford produces track-inspired vehicles, cars and trucks with electronic settings like "Track Mode" and performance options, the warranty will not support any failures associated with being at the track, from informal, weekend meets to actual racing.

Tips:

- Disconnect the Telematics module, or pull the fuse

- Review and consider disabling any connectivity features not needed

- Do not post your exploits on social media

- Do not discuss events outside your personal circle

- If the vehicle is brought to a dealer, remove any trace whatsoever of racing paraphernalia, to include special use tires, track passes, stickers, etc.

- If talking to the Service Advisor and giving feedback on the capabilities of the car, advise them you use it for driving to church and going to the shops. Performance?! You dunno WTF they're talking about

To the topic at-large, things can be disabled and disconnected to suit you and your concerns. If connectivity is needed for software or feature updates, you can periscope up, do your business and later disable everything.

If aftermarket tunes become available, while a dealer tech might not know what was on the car before, they can determine how often the vehicle has been re-flashed. Something with a high count, in for warranty service, could raise suspicion.

For general security and information gathering, consider it something of a journey. Look at everything you're doing, one topic or object at a time, and how you can limit what's being put into the wild. Anything, from the vehicles we're discussing to the new thermostat in your home that has wireless and bluetooth enabled by default.

YMMV.

 

[MCS]

Lexisnexis is the scumbag company that collects the data and sends to insurance companies. There is a way to remove all your information from their "service " but I haven't done it yet. Very chicken shit of ford to provide the data on the first place. These cars are performance vehicles intended to be driven spirited. No wrecks, no tickets= no problem. I did toggle off the data sharing feature, but don't trust it. Eventually there will be lawsuits for breach of privacy, but until then they are watching. Snitches get stitches. Thanks for letting me rant.

What is the method to remove from their service?

I actually have insurance renewals coming up and should the rate increase a significant amount I'm going to switch companies which will lead to the new company telling me what my rating is and contributing factors. If anything pops up that leads back to the Dark Horse sending data I suspect I would consult council and go from there as I never gave consent for data tracking and it's not in any of the documents I signed during purchase.

I went to VEHICLEPRIVACYREPORTS and entered my VIN and here is what it shows

 

[Skye]

...what my rating is and contributing factors.

Two topics worth studying: Fair, Issac and CO (FICO) and Comprehensive Loss and Underwriting Exchange (CLUE) information and reports.

I think most of us are aware of FICO. https://www.annualcreditreport.com/index.action I go to this site once a year, to review what the companies have on me.

For CLUE data, your insurance claims and policy history, go directly to Lexis https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/

While you cannot purge information in these reports, it would be a good idea for anyone to review them for accuracy. I cannot give a % for the amount of people with inaccurate data being held on them, but it does happen. Information from both sources directly impacts your rates, for everything. And employment.

 

[MCS]

Two topics worth studying: Fair, Issac and CO (FICO) and Comprehensive Loss and Underwriting Exchange (CLUE) information and reports.

I think most of us are aware of FICO. https://www.annualcreditreport.com/index.action I go to this site once a year, to review what the companies have on me.

For CLUE data, your insurance claims and policy history, go directly to Lexis https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/

While you cannot purge information in these reports, it would be a good idea for anyone to review them for accuracy. I cannot give a % for the amount of people with inaccurate data being held on them, but it does happen. Information from both sources directly impacts your rates, for everything. And employment.

The Canadian version of the LexisNexis site is a shit show circle jerk designed to tell their customers all about them but not all citizens to find anything that would allow them to opt out or protect their private info.

 

[Gregs24]

With respect to racing and track time, several threads at the 6G site document Driver experiences.

While Ford produces track-inspired vehicles, cars and trucks with electronic settings like "Track Mode" and performance options, the warranty will not support any failures associated with being at the track, from informal, weekend meets to actual racing.

Tips:

- Disconnect the Telematics module, or pull the fuse

- Review and consider disabling any connectivity features not needed

- Do not post your exploits on social media

- Do not discuss events outside your personal circle

- If the vehicle is brought to a dealer, remove any trace whatsoever of racing paraphernalia, to include special use tires, track passes, stickers, etc.

- If talking to the Service Advisor and giving feedback on the capabilities of the car, advise them you use it for driving to church and going to the shops. Performance?! You dunno WTF they're talking about

To the topic at-large, things can be disabled and disconnected to suit you and your concerns. If connectivity is needed for software or feature updates, you can periscope up, do your business and later disable everything.

If aftermarket tunes become available, while a dealer tech might not know what was on the car before, they can determine how often the vehicle has been re-flashed. Something with a high count, in for warranty service, could raise suspicion.

For general security and information gathering, consider it something of a journey. Look at everything you're doing, one topic or object at a time, and how you can limit what's being put into the wild. Anything, from the vehicles we're discussing to the new thermostat in your home that has wireless and bluetooth enabled by default.

YMMV.

But the bottom line is all of these things are just trying to hide the fact that you haven't complied with the terms of the warranty. You can't blame Ford if they turn around and so no to a claim!

 

[MAT1955]

@Gregs24 ..... agreed Greg, our vehicles have been ratting on us to manufacturers, insurance companies and data collection re-sellers for some time but in this case Hyundai is alleged to have sold the kid a "track package" then denied coverage when he tracked it. He said he had never been told or given information that if he red lined it there would be no engine warranty. Will Ford deny warranty if you we hit red line with our GTs and DHs ( too many times, ever) if we use our track packs at the track? Just sayin' somethings janky with Hyundai......BTW there is a lengthy video showing meetings at Corporate Ford as they design and track test the new S650. In it their drivers smoke the tires to a fog, drift the car in circles and discuss tracking it. There's a disconnect here somewhere.

 

[smurfslayer]

- If the vehicle is brought to a dealer, remove any trace whatsoever of racing paraphernalia, to include special use tires, track passes, stickers, etc.

that’s a good idea regardless of where you go.

- If talking to the Service Advisor and giving feedback on the capabilities of the car, advise them you use it for driving to church and going to the shops. Performance?! You dunno WTF they're talking about

Here we disagree. You don’t have to disclose every single, solitary thing on what you were/are doing with the car, but if you tell them you’re running to H-E-B to get some groceries and they get telemetry showing sustained redline operation, you lose your credibility with the service department. It’s perfectly ok to say ‘hey, I was caning her pretty good and then I started observing xxxx’.

BTW there is a lengthy video showing meetings at Corporate Ford as they design and track test the new S650. In it their drivers smoke the tires to a fog, drift the car in circles and discuss tracking it. There's a disconnect here somewhere.

The “disconnect” is what Ford is -testing- by way of QA, durability and performance vs. what they actually advertise and include as covered in the warranty. For example and in a very general sense here: If the mfgr vehicle brochure has an undsiclaimed “0-60mph in 3.7 seconds and a 1/4 mile time of 12.0 seconds” but the manual says blah, blah, blah “no track use covered” - that in and of itself is not sufficient to deny coverage for trying to replicate what the brochure says it can do!

There is a - I will call it a ‘culture’ of attempting to not cover complex issues, time consuming issues or major failures due to the cost difference. As explained to me by a close personal friend and recently retired 28 year Ford Tech. You come in with a “knock” coming from the engine that is consistent with RPM. You know it’s bad, S/A knows it’s bad and tech knows it’s bad. All of the Ford Performance vehicles get the ECU data pulled first; check for a non factory tune, none found, examine for sensor readings out of range (throttle or boost controllers), and signs of “abuse”. What the dealer calls abuse and what courts call abuse are vastly different things.

Ford will authorize nn hours per activity for diagnostics, and authorized repairs. I’m given to understand once that diagnostic time is exceeded, that’s it, no more money for the tech from Ford so now who’s going to pay the tech? However, if it’s a customer paid repair, there is zero ambiguity about who is paying.

Will Ford deny warranty if you we hit red line with our GTs and DHs ( too many times, ever) if we use our track packs at the track?

That would be a very, very tough sell, given pages 315-317 in the Mustang owners manual ; “Track Use” - “...Your vehicle is capable of sustained high speeds and track day driving.
Before operating your vehicle at high speeds: ..."

The warranty is disclaimed for commercial and racing use- tires and powertrain, but, the owner’s manual does not call out that operating your Mustang on a track voids the warranty.

https://www.fordservicecontent.com/...nformation/2024_US_Ford_CarLT_truck_WG_V5.pdf

There is of course wiggle room built in to favor Ford, but generally speaking if you aren’t using your Mustang commercially or as a racing vehicle, and a stealership service department starts throwing around signals that they won’t cover a failure - and you’ve done your due diligence taking care of the car, prepping it, etc. all things being equal you should be able to get it covered with a little leg work.

YMMV and I’ve not been involved in a warranty denial case, but I have succeeded many moons ago in a lemon law suit against a less caring manufacturer.

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