Auto stop start on a 2025 GT premium.

[young at heart]

Why can't people just say I turn it off because I don’t like it rather than coming up with bullsh*t reasons that are simply not true?

Opinions do not affect evidence, but evidence should affect opinions - a few more people should take this onboard!

Greg I couldn’t agree more with your first emboldened phrase above. To do otherwise is irritating.

But your second phrase I’ve emboldened, well not so fast! By definition an opinion held by a person doesn’t need to be affected by anything logical, scientific or otherwise. There‘s no need for an opinion to be justified if the holder chooses to not do so. As a corollary it’s fine for one person to say he disagrees with or doesn’t respect the opinion of another person. But it’s quite different to say or imply that because of that opinion the holder is part of a group that is somehow inferior to another group that feels it holds the moral high ground. That‘s perhaps where we may disconnect a bit.

It wouldn’t (going out in a limb since wouldn’t in this case is determinative) be a problem if it wasn’t forced, if it was a selective persistent setting it would fall into the acceptable category.

Zig, you’re so right IMO. That’s exactly how my mind works. I just hate being forced into anything I don’t like, regardless of the greater good. I accept that it’s a personal failing and make no attempt to justify it. It’s a lifelong dislike of authority.

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[Alan Applegate]

Okay, how about this? They're just like the guy/gal at a cocktail party, who keeps poking you in the shoulder—damned annoying!

 

[coult]

I don't like it when the rumble stops - period. And having opinions that are not based on facts is something quite indicative of my personality. And it's also the foundation on which the unreasonable decision to get a Mustang was based on.

 

[Gregs24]

Greg I couldn’t agree more with your first emboldened phrase above. To do otherwise is irritating.

But your second phrase I’ve emboldened, well not so fast! By definition an opinion held by a person doesn’t need to be affected by anything logical, scientific or otherwise. There‘s no need for an opinion to be justified if the holder chooses to not do so. As a corollary it’s fine for one person to say he disagrees with or doesn’t respect the opinion of another person. But it’s quite different to say or imply that because of that opinion the holder is part of a group that is somehow inferior to another group that feels it holds the moral high ground. That‘s perhaps where we may disconnect a bit.




Zig, you’re so right IMO. That’s exactly how my mind works. I just hate being forced into anything I don’t like, regardless of the greater good. I accept that it’s a personal failing and make no attempt to justify it. It’s a lifelong dislike of authority.

An uninformed opinion is valueless to everybody other than the person who holds it.

You could have the opinion the world is flat. It clearly isn't backed up by evidence. An opinion that the world is flat is uninformed and valueless to everybody else.

The trouble is in the old days the Village idiot only got to speak to a handful of people who knew that he or she was an idiot. Now those people can speak to the whole world through the Internet and all sorts of bullsh*t gets spewed around.

 

[Gregs24]

Okay, how about this? They're just like the guy/gal at a cocktail party, who keeps poking you in the shoulder—damned annoying!

Yes correct. They can be annoying, but the evidence for their use and benefits are clear. As I said before, by all means turn the systems off, but don't pretend you are doing it for any reason other than you don't like it.

 

[Gregs24]

That’s exactly how my mind works. I just hate being forced into anything I don’t like, regardless of the greater good. I accept that it’s a personal failing and make no attempt to justify it. It’s a lifelong dislike of authority.

Actually I don't think you have any problem with authority at all!

Let me explain!

As this is a car forum I will stick to this. In the US you drive on the right and stop at red lights (ignoring your right turn shenanigans). These are the rules of the road enforced by authorities such as the police. I'm absolutely certain that you have no problem with that at all, I'm sure when you are crossing a junction you want to be sure that people at a red light will stop and if not they are stopped and dealt with by the police in an appropriate way.

So no problem with authority at all.

However I suspect what you really don't like is when a rule is enforced by authority that you don't like or agree with. This is a VERY different thing. We are both fortunate to live in a democracy where our views and votes are counted periodically in the most practical way possible. It is inevitable that there will be some 'rules' that the majority of people in the US want (not murdering people whilst driving on the left jumping red lights for example) that some others will not like. That is how a democracy and society works, and will continue to work. What you should be grateful of is the fact that your opinion is counted, even if ultimately you may not get what you personally want every time. Some people will leave a country if they feel too many things are not to their liking, but most people realise that actually civil society comes about through democracy and we all get along a lot better with rules and enforcement.

So the next time somebody is telling you what to do as an enforcement authority, just think about what they are doing for your benefit with somebody else who was about to do something that would impact your safety and wellbeing for example.

 

[Zig]

Greg I couldn’t agree more with your first emboldened phrase above. To do otherwise is irritating.

But your second phrase I’ve emboldened, well not so fast! By definition an opinion held by a person doesn’t need to be affected by anything logical, scientific or otherwise. There‘s no need for an opinion to be justified if the holder chooses to not do so. As a corollary it’s fine for one person to say he disagrees with or doesn’t respect the opinion of another person. But it’s quite different to say or imply that because of that opinion the holder is part of a group that is somehow inferior to another group that feels it holds the moral high ground. That‘s perhaps where we may disconnect a bit.




Zig, you’re so right IMO. That’s exactly how my mind works. I just hate being forced into anything I don’t like, regardless of the greater good. I accept that it’s a personal failing and make no attempt to justify it. It’s a lifelong dislike of authority.

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[young at heart]

An uninformed opinion is valueless to everybody other than the person who holds it.

Thank you. My point exactly.

No one has an obligation to substantiate his opinion to anyone else. I personally don’t care to try, in this case anyway.

I thought I had been clear about this but apparently not.

 

[Sofa King]

...Why can't people just say I turn it off because I don't like it rather than coming up with bullsh*t reasons that are simply not true?...

My car came with it (Ecoboost), it works fine, I have never once complained about it... I don't like it, so I turn it off!

 

[Gregs24]

Thank you. My point exactly.

No one has an obligation to substantiate his opinion to anyone else. I personally don’t care to try, in this case anyway.

I thought I had been clear about this but apparently not.

Almost. It is correct to ignore an uninformed unsubstantiated opinion, because it is valueless. The opinions worth listening to are those based on facts and evidence. If you are going to express an opinion and not be ignored, it is always better to be able to substantiate it.

 

[Gregs24]

My car came with it (Ecoboost), it works fine, I have never once complained about it... I don't like it, so I turn it off!

Which is absolutely fine. No bullsh*t about it wearing your car out or distracting you or safety issues as some sort of faux justification.

 

[keithwalton]

The engine is more durable with start stop? You really believe there are engine differences between the Mustangs with and Mustangs without start stop? Lol.

Between Gen 7 Mustangs ? No ford intended to have stop/start on all cars but it wasn't ready in time for SOP.

Between Gen 7's and earlier Mustangs that AS/S was not a consideration ? Most definitely, example is the move to an AGM battery which are proven when treated correctly to last many more cycles than regular lead acid batteries.
Although Ford did have teething issues with how to handle these at the factory and let a lot get to deeply discharged. We also really should have two batteries in the vehicle ...

The move to GDI with the Gen 3 coyote was an enabler technology for AS/S, when did the add it to the F150 version of the engine ?

 

[Gregs24]

Between Gen 7 Mustangs ? No ford intended to have stop/start on all cars but it wasn't ready in time for SOP.

Between Gen 7's and earlier Mustangs that AS/S was not a consideration ? Most definitely, example is the move to an AGM battery which are proven when treated correctly to last many more cycles than regular lead acid batteries.
Although Ford did have teething issues with how to handle these at the factory and let a lot get to deeply discharged. We also really should have two batteries in the vehicle ...

The move to GDI with the Gen 3 coyote was an enabler technology for AS/S, when did the add it to the F150 version of the engine ?

Different starter setup on the S650 too. Sounds different and turns over much quicker (which is required for S/S)

 

[Zig]

Different starter setup on the S650 too. Sounds different and turns over much quicker (which is required for S/S)

Just imagine the kilowatt hours saved if evs did the same complete shutdown at ‘random (i know special circumstances)’ times.

 

[timd38]

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