Carbon Filter RWHP?

[Farmer Fran]

I saw a video saying about ~2rwhp and one guy claim 20whp

Do we have a real sense of how much RWHP on an otherwise stock car these steal?

Found this from MT

" The internet has been buzzing over the new dual throttle body setup and the carbon trap located in each intake inlet hose. Removing the traps netted a peak gain of 4 whp while the midrange woke up with a 7-whp increase, bringing the peak power output to 414 whp. "

Gain 30 WHP in Your 2024 Mustang GT: JPC Racing Tears Into an S650 Mustang (motortrend.com)

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[roket]

too many factors to really say for sure. intake temps, humidity, fuel quality, fuel octane, driver mood, moon phase, driver star sign, and probably more

 

[erocker]

So it's no different than any aftermarket air filter for every vehicle produced ever. Countless articles and videos on the subject and what kind of power or lack of it they produce.

 

[Q6543]

In my own drag strip testing…. ZERO gains in MPH

So even if removal showed gains on a dyno… it does not impact real world results.

 

[Farmer Fran]

In my own drag strip testing…. ZERO gains in MPH

So even if removal showed gains on a dyno… it does not impact real world results.

I figured, for now I am leaving them

 

[young at heart]

The correct answer is 18 RWHP, at least with an S550 Mach 1. Whether or not you can feel it is up to you.

Naysayers would have to think an otherwise pretty credible guy went to the trouble to dummy up dyno results and post them. He doesn’t seem given to hyperbole to me. The guy’s YouTube handle is Tony’s Fords and Mustangs.

Here’s the primary video:

 

[roadpilot]

^ Total BS

Removing carbon traps, changing filter media, even R&R an aftermarket CAI -- none of those are going to amount to jack diddly squat on the same car. Why? Because the current OEM setup is just as efficient as all the aftermarket nonsense companies are selling. Bottom line, unless you're making serious hardware upgrades and/or tuning, you're not going to see any real change.

Snake oil and snake oil salesmen. Including people who most certainly make chit up to get more views/clicks.

 

[young at heart]

^ Total BS

Removing carbon traps, changing filter media, even R&R an aftermarket CAI -- none of those are going to amount to jack diddly squat on the same car. Why? Because the current OEM setup is just as efficient as all the aftermarket nonsense companies are selling. Bottom line, unless you're making serious hardware upgrades and/or tuning, you're not going to see any real change.

Snake oil and snake oil salesmen. Including people who most certainly make chit up to get more views/clicks.

So, are you calling Tony out for making the dyno results up?

Or do you think he never actually did dyno testing to start with?

I mean, he’s presenting what he represents as fact. You’re stating your opinion. Not much middle ground here.

 

[Farmer Fran]

I saw a guy do a good video where he did a bunch of different testing (carbon, new filter, full CAI) but cannot find the video. Pretty sure his were minimal but want a larger base to see.

EDIT: Found it - Pause at 11:14 ish

We Dyno The 2024 Mustang GT K&N Intake + Compare to Carbon Trap Delete & High Flow Drop-in Filters (youtube.com)

 

[roadpilot]

So, are you calling Tony out for making the dyno results up?

Or do you think he never actually did dyno testing to start with?

Tony compared a 2021 Mach 1 without carbon traps to a 2022 with them, claiming "this is the only difference between the two cars". BS. And that proves NOTHING, other than one car returned different numbers than a different car. Run the 22 with and without the CTs.

I've seen plenty of other videos with dyno runs that confirm there is no appreciable HP difference with the S650 by removing the carbon traps. And everybody knows that changing a factory CAI for an aftermarket CAI *with no other change* will produce little to NO difference in HP.

I mean, he’s presenting what he represents as fact.

Presenting something AS fact doesn't make it fact.

 

[JAM486HP]

I saw a guy do a good video where he did a bunch of different testing (carbon, new filter, full CAI) but cannot find the video. Pretty sure his were minimal but want a larger base to see.

EDIT: Found it - Pause at 11:14 ish

We Dyno The 2024 Mustang GT K&N Intake + Compare to Carbon Trap Delete & High Flow Drop-in Filters (youtube.com)

That video shows it all.. clearly not worth ripping them out and damaging the sensor.

 

[roadpilot]

I saw a guy do a good video where he did a bunch of different testing (carbon, new filter, full CAI) but cannot find the video. Pretty sure his were minimal but want a larger base to see.

EDIT: Found it - Pause at 14:15 ish

We Dyno The 2024 Mustang GT K&N Intake + Compare to Carbon Trap Delete & High Flow Drop-in Filters (youtube.com)

Bone stock vs No carbon traps vs No carbon trap w/ K&N filters only: All three within a couple of HP and LB FT TQ.

With the $700 CAI kit that they are selling: +14 HP over the first three. But ... note that he also explained that the exact same vehicle with the exact same setup can have different pulls that vary upwards of 8 HP different between them. So if you take that into account, that's a potential 6 HP gain for a $700 CAI kit? LOL!

With the hood closed, the same car with the same $700 CAI kit ran 403 HP -- 7 HP less than bone stock! THEN at the end of the video, they say, "Gee, yea, we should have ran the first three with the hood closed, too, so ... Sorry we didn't, so these results are incomplete.

Gee ... ya think maybe they want to sell you a $700 CAI kit?

 

[roadpilot]

That video shows it all.. clearly not worth ripping them out and damaging the sensor.

Correct. There are plenty of other videos, including more on the S650, clearly showing that ripping out the carbon traps and/or changing filter media amounts to no appreciable gain.

Where you get your BIG gains with these types of changes come with the TUNE you usually get with them. It's not the filter media or CAI. I installed a K&N CAI kit in my '14 many years back. While I didn't dyno it, I can tell you that it didn't change a thing until AFTER I tuned it.

 

[Farmer Fran]

Bone stock vs No carbon traps vs No carbon trap w/ K&N filters only: All three within a couple of HP and LB FT TQ.

With the $700 CAI kit that they are selling: +14 HP over the first three. But ... note that he also explained that the exact same vehicle with the exact same setup can have different pulls that vary upwards of 8 HP different between them. So if you take that into account, that's a potential 6 HP gain for a $700 CAI kit? LOL!

With the hood closed, the same car with the same $700 CAI kit ran 403 HP -- 7 HP less than bone stock! THEN at the end of the video, they say, "Gee, yea, we should have ran the first three with the hood closed, too, so ... Sorry we didn't, so these results are incomplete.

Gee ... ya think maybe they want to sell you a $700 CAI kit?

I did not get the feeling they wanted to deceive you. I think he explained that pretty well. He explained the hood open/closed pretty well to me also.

 

[roadpilot]

I did not get the feeling they wanted to deceive you. I think he explained that pretty well.

I call it deception. They call it marketing.

He explained the hood open/closed pretty well to me also.

What I'm saying is he said the $700 kit would get you 14 HP over everything else. They don't make money if you leave your ride bone stock or rip the CTs out. They make very little selling you some K&N filters. All three of those result in nearly identical disappointing "findings". However, the CAI kit costs 5x what the two filters (only) cost. That's where they make their cash.

Anyone selling you a CAI kit WITHOUT a tune is doing little more than emptying your wallet in exchange for a fancy looking CAI kit with some logos on it with very little gain. Further, even if they included a "one size fits all" tune, that's not as good as having THE car tuned once the CAI kits is installed.

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