GTD Weight Revealed

[Bikeman315]

Autoweek…….

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[Bikeman315]

I mean even though I don’t agree with his GTD take (I do see where he’s coming from) Him being disappointed in the GTD doesn’t mean he isn’t a Mustang fan.

People say crazier/contradicting things that would make them seem less of Mustang fans.

Everybody knows it’s a crazy feat that an American coupe has lasted so long while competing with different classes of performance. Mustang did that without changing into other things. (For example Charger being rwd coupe, fwd car in 80s, 4 door in modernity) that’s why it’s unique and only can be mentioned with the likes of Corvette and 911, even at a cheaper price.

I’m ready for the next special Stang to come out so we can talk about something else.

I totally agree with you. I hope there will be more to come. Now I didn’t say that @9secondko isn’t a Mustang fan. I believe he most certainly is. That said, I may have been accused of that by him because I thought some of his ideas were over the top. But he is certainly entitled to his thoughts and opinions.

 

[agreywolfe]

Believe it or not, Ewheels isn't too far off from something that just may make it to production. There is quite a bit brewing in automotive related politics at the moment that may influence corporate decision making that could very much benefit us enthusiasts. Not sure about keeping the transaxle but would substituting a DCT be good enough?

the GTD uses a DCT, same one the Corvette C8 uses

 

[MaddNomad]

I totally agree with you. I hope there will be more to come. Now I didn’t say that @9secondko isn’t a Mustang fan. I believe he most certainly is. That said, I may have been accused of that by him because I thought some of his ideas were over the top. But he is certainly entitled to his thoughts and opinions.

That was more of a reference to RebelMan’s post. Usually I can see where everyone is coming from, but that was crazy.

Most controversial topics I’ve seen on here in the past 3 months have either been about sales, EVs, whether or not a sedan should be called a Mustang, or the GTD’s official weight.

But some disappointment about the GTD was the straw that broke the camel’s back on someone being a Mustang enthusiast.

 

[Ewheels]

Not sure about keeping the transaxle but would substituting a DCT be good enough?

I suppose that would be fine, but to me, the transaxle and the SLA front geometry are what would make this a "GTD-lite" vs just the next GT350/GT500. Well the pushrod rear geometry definitely as well but no way I see Ford carrying that over to a standard production model car.

 

[9secondko]

Kettle meet fire. LOL

Let me explain what it means to be Mustang... It's about overcoming obstacles and becoming greatness.

Nobody expected the diminutive Mustang (aka Pony Car) to outsell BY FAR every other brand model when it first hit the ground, but it did. Nobody expected the Mustang to put on "muscle" and go on to win its class in Daytona 24 three years later or back-to-back Trans-AM championship races less than five years later, but it did.

Nobody expected the Mustang to survive the oil embargo when so many others didn't, but it did. Nobody expected the Mustang to avoid the chopping block that very nearly almost happened back in late 80's, but it did. Nobody expected the Mustang to beat the M3 on the track, but it did. And very certainly, NOBODY expected to be cross shopping the Mustang with an M car as is happening today, but it did!

The Mustang GTD is the fully realized culmination of all that has happened before, and which it continues to build on to this day. People have ridiculed the name plate as being just affordable performance and not something that you would compare to others of more affluent stature. But now that performance has largely caught up, the price tag has too, and people ridicule it for that, which is absurd.

No real Mustang enthusiast cares about the achievements of the ZR1 or any other car for that matter. What they care about is what IT has and continues to achieve. Has the ZR1 run a sub 7 second Nürburgring? NOPE! The GTD has and it was on a less than ideal (wet) day. Has the ZR1 podiumed at the 24 Hours of Le Mans for its class? NOPE! The GTD has and it took third place. Has the ZR1 podiumed at the Rolex 24 at Daytona competition? NOPE! The GTD has and it took FIRST place for its class.

We can go back and forth all day long on this ridiculous pissing contest and at the end of the day come to the unavoidable conclusion that you will never be a Mustang enthusiast no matter how much you pretend to be. The MUSTANG GDT is a GREAT CAR PERIOD and the fact that you are comparing it to the World Breaker Hulk ZR1 proves it.

Good post. Ive said similar things myself.

But none of that alleviates critique.

It still didn’t meet its target and still costs way too much considering its benchmarks were not met.

It IS. A great car -for a GT500 tier.

However, at least so far, it is a somewhat failed experiment. It gets beat by the car it was built to exceed and then likely gets beat again by a corvette at the track it was bred to dominate.

Mustang is a bang for the buck exotic-looking car that can defeat actual exotics at a fraction of the price and still get the kids home from practice with a trunk full of groceries.

The GTD is a Mustang with an exotic price tag which doesn’t punch above its weight as before. It punches either at or a little less than it’s new weight class so to speak.

That’s the difference between the Gtd and what a mustang is about.

If you’re going to take the mustang upwards of half a million dollars, you better pull out all the stops. That didn’t happen. It remains a regular s650 with a neat suspension. And a massive price tag.

Again, if it were a 100+k gt500, cool. Amazing actually. But the thing costs way more than a Porsche gt3rs, yet gets humbled by it.

For the price, it needed a new, twin turbo 1000 + hp engine, lightweight frame and components, and

It’s just not a good look stacked against the competition.

The mustang isn’t supposed to be the fat, lazy has-been. It’s supposed to be the up and coming scrapper, toppling the filet-mignon fed champions while living on beans and rice.

And when it finally gets the proper investment, it should be the top dog. Not this. It’s backwards right now.
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$100k and no supercharge? No way

Not ditch. Replace with turbos.

 

[Epiphany]

Autoweek…….

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After all the time I spent finding the data they could have at least credited me. Oh well, I'll go back under my rock. ON EDIT - AW credited me. Thanks Wesley.

the GTD uses a DCT, same one the Corvette C8 uses

I never argued to the contrary and am well versed on the transaxle used on the GTD. Read my post again. I'm talking about another car, in response to Ewheels' post, that may end up using a DCT (fore/aft unit) as opposed to using a transaxle.

I suppose that would be fine, but to me, the transaxle and the SLA front geometry are what would make this a "GTD-lite" vs just the next GT350/GT500. Well the pushrod rear geometry definitely as well but no way I see Ford carrying that over to a standard production model car.

I think you can forget the SLA, the rear pushrod suspension, and the transaxle. The next project may involve a DCT and cross plane 5.2 with no power adder.

 

[agreywolfe]

After all the time I spent finding the data they could have at least credited me. Oh well, I'll go back under my rock.

I never argued to the contrary and am well versed on the transaxle used on the GTD. Read my post again. I'm talking about another car, in response to someone Ewheels' post, that may end up using a DCT (fore/aft unit) as opposed to using a transaxle.

I think you can forget the SLA, the rear pushrod suspension, and the transaxle. The next project may involve a DCT and cross plane 5.2 with no power adder.

ah misread then, my bad. TBH any future special car (Boss, GT350/500 etc) i feel would keep the GTDs DSSV(ish)/transaxle DCT/ and rear wing placement. but shed the carbon fiber/magnesium wheels/active aero components etc. for cost saving. the DSSV i can see being a "track pack" option for this type of car as its just better for track use than Magneride. Transaxle DCT helps keep the car around 50/50 weight distribution and Fords already paid the R&D cost so why not? rear wing because its clearly popular, but probably a static wing and not the expensive DRS components.

 

[Q6543]

They are NOT ditching the supercharger, so factor a higher price point, and ramp up starts EOY for it in 26

 

[Epiphany]

2026 Shelby GT500? Well that is interesting since nobody at Shelby in Vegas is aware of another 500.

And where does that image imply anything about the use of a supercharger one way or another? You think that this alleged GT500 will use the "same" engine as the GTD?

 

[Bikeman315]

2026 Shelby GT500? Well that is interesting since nobody at Shelby in Vegas is aware of another 500.

And where does that image imply anything about the use of a supercharger one way or another? You think that this alleged GT500 will use the "same" engine as the GTD?

Anyone on here work at the Romeo plant?

 

[Q6543]

Romeo has been closed for years, the niche line from Romeo is at DEP making raptor R/predators/carnivore.

 

[Bikeman315]

Romeo has been closed for years, the niche line from Romeo is at DEP making raptor R/predators/carnivore.

Ah, so that’s what DEP is. Where is it located?

 

[Cauf E. Bean]

EcoBoost guys love the GT500 front bumper, they are going to love the GDT wings once they go for sale

ME TOO! And I own a 2024 Mustang GT (No EcoBoost for me!) - and the day I find an aftermarket version with Active Aero - I will literally throw my money at the seller, without apology.

 

[Cauf E. Bean]

Mustang is a bang for the buck exotic-looking car that can defeat actual exotics at a fraction of the price and still get the kids home from practice with a trunk full of groceries.

Well, yes and no - right? I mean, have you seen the Shelby Code Red prices? They're in the same ballpark, and still left a lot to be desired at the drag strip against Fox Bodies with twin turbos, a drag tune, and some slicks.

The question is - what do you want? It's like those old memes: here's six items - you get to choose and keep two. You can fast and cheap mustang, but you'll lose out on factory build quality, warranty, exclusivity (seriously, have you seen the sheer number of Fox Bodies at your local strip?), adaptability to varying drive conditions, etc.
Ford Engineers decided that they would keep 5 and compromise on one (price). I am truly interested to see how the ZR1 does on Nürburgring and I hope they do get below Mustang, because that will kick in the pride factor (perhaps) and get Ford to do more. I'd love to see the Corvette kick off an arms race similar to what Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Honda experienced with their crotch rockets in the late 80's and 90's - push it to the point where scary was a few miles back.

But I don't think Ford is ever going to make the GTD a consumer level production car with consumer level production numbers, and a consumer-friendly price. It's rarified earth. Can you make a faster car, cheaper - yes! Will that car have the flexibility and capability of the GTD (and possibly the ZR1) - no. At least not any cheaper than the $150 - 350k price ranges we're seeing with these two cars. Which is a point you seem to overlook or exaggerate - the ZR1 1LZ and 3LZ are priced up to $231,000 fully loaded. And yah, that extra $70k difference is significant enough to buy a used 2022 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing that can hold its own with either vehicle more than either manufacturer would like to admit, it still shows that the new 'super duper' corvette is in the same tax bracket as the GTD. They're both in the 'you can't afford this' range.

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