GTD Weight Revealed

[9secondko]

Well, yes and no - right? I mean, have you seen the Shelby Code Red prices? They're in the same ballpark, and still left a lot to be desired at the drag strip against Fox Bodies with twin turbos, a drag tune, and some slicks.

The question is - what do you want? It's like those old memes: here's six items - you get to choose and keep two. You can fast and cheap mustang, but you'll lose out on factory build quality, warranty, exclusivity (seriously, have you seen the sheer number of Fox Bodies at your local strip?), adaptability to varying drive conditions, etc.
Ford Engineers decided that they would keep 5 and compromise on one (price). I am truly interested to see how the ZR1 does on Nürburgring and I hope they do get below Mustang, because that will kick in the pride factor (perhaps) and get Ford to do more. I'd love to see the Corvette kick off an arms race similar to what Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Honda experienced with their crotch rockets in the late 80's and 90's - push it to the point where scary was a few miles back.

But I don't think Ford is ever going to make the GTD a consumer level production car with consumer level production numbers, and a consumer-friendly price. It's rarified earth. Can you make a faster car, cheaper - yes! Will that car have the flexibility and capability of the GTD (and possibly the ZR1) - no. At least not any cheaper than the $150 - 350k price ranges we're seeing with these two cars. Which is a point you seem to overlook or exaggerate - the ZR1 1LZ and 3LZ are priced up to $231,000 fully loaded. And yah, that extra $70k difference is significant enough to buy a used 2022 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing that can hold its own with either vehicle more than either manufacturer would like to admit, it still shows that the new 'super duper' corvette is in the same tax bracket as the GTD. They're both in the 'you can't afford this' range.

Talking about factory mustangs.

Of course any tuner can go as crazy as they want.

Even the 2029 gt500 was pretty dang expenff so I’ve unfortunately. But it was still a bargain compared to the typical exotic.

And yet somehow tje corvette ktt err at prices down. Ford makes quite a bit on thr mustang. Would love to see them get more realistic with pricing again.

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[NegativeMultiplier]

They are NOT ditching the supercharger, so factor a higher price point, and ramp up starts EOY for it in 26

Can I ask where you found this?

 

[Bikeman315]

Can I ask where you found this?

He didn’t in a direct manner. But they are showing a new name, Legend. That means it will most likely be different than the Predator. Removing the supercharger Is a likely scenario.

 

[young at heart]

He didn’t in a direct manner. But they are showing a new name, Legend. That means it will most likely be different than the Predator. Removing the supercharger Is a likely scenario.

I hope not. I’m getting tired of trading.

 

[Q6543]

There’s no way they would remove the supercharger, N/A, even if they spiced the tune up it would only make like 20-30more hp than a GT

what did the predator rate 760? Just guessing but probably 780, maybe 800.

supposedly something in the distant works behind that as well…

all just rumors and guesses of course

 

[sososavy]

Not sure if this has already been posted here but @Epiphany found the GTD curb weight over on M6G.

At 4,300 pounds, I'm no longer interested....not that I could afford one anyway. My vote just just shifted to the ZR1.

That doesn’t make any sense. That’s heavier than the DH

 

[Q6543]

Maybe all that crazy suspension setup weighs a lot, plus the powertrain is probably a few hundred lbs… that DCT is a big girl

 

[robvas]

That doesn’t make any sense. That’s heavier than the DH

Why doesn't it make sense? Have you seen how massive the rear suspension is on that car plus the supercharger and who knows what else?

 

[sososavy]

Why doesn't it make sense? Have you seen how massive the rear suspension is on that car plus the supercharger and who knows what else?

I thought with all the carbon fiber would have been lighter aside from the performance inprovements

 

[9secondko]

That doesn’t make any sense. That’s heavier than the DH

It makes sense in that the s650 is already an overweight platform. Every time Ford adds capabilities to it, they don’t go very far in addressing the weight.

They start slapping on beefier suspension , supercharger, wide body panels, extra motors to control the aero flaps, extra cooling, etc. it all adds up. Contrast with a zl1 1LE which sold for a reasonable price and was also supercharged with a heftier suspension at 3800 lbs. and you see how fat the s550/650 is.

So given the s650 is so inefficient, it’s not surprising that an s650 high performance mustang would be stupidly heavy.

What IS surprising is that the GTD is that heavy - since Ford hyped it as a face car turned street legal and most definitely NOT a regular mustang with racing parts added.

Turns out it IS actually just a regular mustang with hot rod parts bolted on. Oh… and an extra 200-30@k added to the price tag.

Should have been the gt500. And 100k.

 

[robvas]

I thought with all the carbon fiber would have been lighter aside from the performance inprovements

A lot of those body panels were already plastic/composite and really light. Like the fenders. And front bumper Plus a CF driveshaft only weighs 20lbs less than stock.

 

[Zig]

It makes sense in that the s650 is already an overweight platform. Every time Ford adds capabilities to it, they don’t go very far in addressing the weight.

They start slapping on beefier suspension , supercharger, wide body panels, extra motors to control the aero flaps, extra cooling, etc. it all adds up. Contrast with a zl1 1LE which sold for a reasonable price and was also supercharged with a heftier suspension at 3800 lbs. and you see how fat the s550/650 is.

So given the s650 is so inefficient, it’s not surprising that an s650 high performance mustang would be stupidly heavy.

What IS surprising is that the GTD is that heavy - since Ford hyped it as a face car turned street legal and most definitely NOT a regular mustang with racing parts added.

Turns out it IS actually just a regular mustang with hot rod parts bolted on. Oh… and an extra 200-30@k added to the price tag.

Should have been the gt500. And 100k.

V1 (sets a ring time), V2 coming shortly?

 

[Bikeman315]

There’s no way they would remove the supercharger, N/A, even if they spiced the tune up it would only make like 20-30more hp than a GT

what did the predator rate 760? Just guessing but probably 780, maybe 800.

supposedly something in the distant works behind that as well…

all just rumors and guesses of course

What else would differentiate a Predator vs. a Legend other the a SC?

 

[Q6543]

Easiest gains would be pullied for another lb of boost.. perhaps a tweak in cam profile.
different lid maybe

 

[9secondko]

V1 (sets a ring time), V2 coming shortly?

Makes sense.

At that price, it’s not like they’re losing money msking one-offs.

Next up, a lighter TT/hybtid v8 car with 1000+ hp.

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