"Mach 4" 4-Door Mustang + Off-Road Baja Mustang models previewed at Ford dealers meeting!

[9secondko]

There can be no comparisons to anything ever again because no two things are identical says 9secondko.

If you don't think a Jeep Wrangler was a very specific vehicle for a very specific purpose, then you don't know what you're talking about.

Again, the subject is Mustang. Try to keep up.

while trucks and SUVS are meant for a variety of purposes, (groceries, Home Depot runs, hauling people around, off-tossing, etc.) it makes sense to have a variety of trucks and SUCs to choose from. Heck, even cars started out with ZERO doors. But then we had a variety of cars. Two doors, 4 doors, lambo doors, etc. didn’t stop it from being a car.

but we aren’t talking about cars. We aren’t talking about SUVs. We aren’t talking about trucks.

we are talking about a specific model that has a very specific identity. A two door sports coupe that is attainable for everyone and not impossible to live with as a daily driver. Somewhat convenient, but inconvenient enough to maximize performance at a given price point while looking cool and a bit rebellious.

you change any of that and you no longer have a Mustang.

Maybe Ford can’t afford good marketing people and had to get the C and D grade folks leftover after hiring sprees. You know the type, the ones who think because they had an idea that everyone needs to follow. Disregard the fact that the general public is smarter than they like to think and don’t like having their chain yanked.

identities matter. The Mustang has a very strong, very specific identity as a 2 door sports coupe it is what everyone - including you - think of when you hear the name, think about past versions, or dream about future versions.

let’s stop pretending, admit Fords marketing sucks right now, and needs somewhat who knows what they’re doing to step in and leave junk ideas like this on the cutting room floor.

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[9secondko]

They definitely have crazy ideas, but the name was already put on a EV so they don’t think of the Mustang name on a sedan means “V8” necessarily. Mustang to them as a sub brand badge means some styling cues and fun to drive nature. (From what they showed us so far)

They’re not opposed to using nameplates either they proved, especially lesser known ones to young people. Maverick is a huge success, Capri was brought back on a European VW EV. Some names just find success with different body styles, Mustang succeeded the two door, sports/GT realm.

Yeah I think a pseudo luxury/GT/performance car would be interesting. The CT4 black wing they were benchmarking had that chassis developed specifically for what they were going for with 3 series and other European sport/luxury sedans.

great point. No one ever thought of Mustang as “v8” since it’s had multiple cylinder options from inception. Even the SVO was a top model of its time and was a 4 banger.

though the v8 is and always has been the preferred engine and should always be there, it’s not all anyone thinks of and doesn’t define the mustang. That would just be another false argument.

 

[Mustang1987]

we are talking about a specific model that has a very specific identity.

Oh, you mean like the Jeep Wrangler that had a very specific identity and purpose, and they added two doors and it became hugely successful?

Also, you are not referee on what a mustang is or isn't.

The mustang is a fun performance affordable vehicle with two doors. If Ford adds two more, the mustang will be a fun performance affordable vehicle with two doors and an optional four doors. Period. If you don't like it, email Ford with your thoughts and feelings.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Like this?

Not bad, this one is still my personal favorite.

 

[DeluxeStang]

that’s great.

yet we aren’t talking about a slow moving off-roader.

a jeep is a jeep. A truck is a truck.

a Mustang is an entirely different animal. A very specific one.

a sporty look, high performance, and as close to a sports car as you can get without sacrificing all convenience.

and that’s the spot the Mustang exists in. It’s the attainable sports car. Not so expensive the Everyman can’t buy one, looks like a dream, makes sacrifices to convenience in order to maintain sports car characteristics, but not so many that it’s impossible to live with - yet just enough that it’s not for everyone - mostly an enthusiast car with just enough convenience to get by with.

what it’s not - a boat to load up at Costco with, a 4 door people mover, or a Home Depot hauler.

the mustang has a very specific identity. Trying to make it other things erodes that identity and degrades the Mustang itself.

all this proposal does is cause market confusion. There will be the “real mustang and then the myriad of pretenders.

I thought we agreed to stop arguing about what is and isn't a mustang. Let's just let that part of the discussion go. We went getting anywhere with it, and frankly, all of us just keep repeating the same points over and over again.

 

[DeluxeStang]

I had no idea "prognosticate" was a real word. You learn something new every day I suppose.

On topic, do we even have any confirmation as to what size this Mach-4 will be? (i.e. Charger, Fusion, or Cruze?) I can worry about powerplants and looks later down the road.

It will almost certainly be charger sized. That's the logical move at least seeing as the charger is basically the only direct competitor for this kind of vehicle, and Ford's almost certainly hoping to snag some charger owners by offering the V8 sedan dodge no longer does.

 

[Mustang1987]

Not bad, this one is still my personal favorite.

That actually looks really good lol I obviously prefer the two door, but wow.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Eh, the same crowd that believes in tinfoil-hat conspiracies also hates EV and gloms onto anything that reaffirms the "EVs are dying" narrative. We'll see in a year, I suppose.

True, it is wild to me. Personally, I'm someone who loves a badass EV and a V8 powered muscle car. If it's an interesting idea with good execution, I don't care what's under the hood as long as it adds to the experience. The electric supervan with insane areo and like 2,000 hp is an amazingly cool project. Yet you get all the idiots hating on it because it's electric. I don't care, it's faster than most race cars, and it's a van, that's what I care about .

EVs aren't dying, we're still seeing growth, it's just not happening as quickly as brands originally thought. Ford's upcoming low cost EVs will be a genuine game changer.

 

[DeluxeStang]

That actually looks really good lol I obviously prefer the two door, but wow.

It gives me a bit of a Jaguar sedan vibe. Not a bad thing at all, very classy looking.

 

[Mustang1987]

It gives me a bit of a Jaguar sedan vibe. Not a bad thing at all, very classy looking.

If they offer something that looks like that, in a V8 with a performance package, that will be a huge hit. Probably be somewhat pricey but no doubt a hit.

 

[Zig]

Not bad, this one is still my personal favorite.

The two door doesn’t look like it wouldn’t make a bad capri but the larger says 4-door fed to me.

 

[Stonehauler]

great point. No one ever thought of Mustang as “v8” since it’s had multiple cylinder options from inception. Even the SVO was a top model of its time and was a 4 banger.

though the v8 is and always has been the preferred engine and should always be there, it’s not all anyone thinks of and doesn’t define the mustang. That would just be another false argument.

Just make a suggestion that Ford might take away the V-8 from the Mustang and imagine what you would see here. It would dwarf this thread by a factor of 10, easily. The V-8 mustang has been "The Mustang" since almost the inception. I know the Cobra 4 cylinder was top dog...once, but try that today. Go ahead, think about calling a 4 cylinder a GT350 or GT500. I would argue that the V-8 is more important to the Mustang that the number of doors is easily.

Yes, there are multiple engine options and always have been, but until you go electric it's going to need that V8.

I don't think the Charger Hi-Po inline 6 is going to have the same respect that the hemi had...even if it does make more power.

 

[9secondko]

Just make a suggestion that Ford might take away the V-8 from the Mustang and imagine what you would see here. It would dwarf this thread by a factor of 10, easily. The V-8 mustang has been "The Mustang" since almost the inception. I know the Cobra 4 cylinder was top dog...once, but try that today. Go ahead, think about calling a 4 cylinder a GT350 or GT500. I would argue that the V-8 is more important to the Mustang that the number of doors is easily.

Yes, there are multiple engine options and always have been, but until you go electric it's going to need that V8.

I don't think the Charger Hi-Po inline 6 is going to have the same respect that the hemi had...even if it does make more power.

incorrect.

Of course removing the v8 would be a mistake. It’s symbolic of American automotive power.

but if the v8 were replsced with 30,000 hp jet engines instead of only having a 6 or 4 cylinder, no one would complain.

as that’s not feasible, we have the v8.

and yet again, none of that was the point. The point was that the mustang has always had engine choices. V8 is one of them. You could change the v8 into something more (ans opposed to less - I.e. 6 or 4 banger) and still have a mustang. There was a v10 experiment back in the day. No one was complaining (but it would sound like trash - as did the respectable dodge viper).

of course dodge is shooting itself in the foot with the full ev or small engine nonsense. The best thing they had going was the hd I in all their stuff. Their design is meh, their handling sucks, engineering overrall is mid, but they know how to get power from their v8 engines.

but that’s dodge. They’re weird. Bought and sold and gone through identity crises after crisis.

Nothing they have has such a legendary nameplate as the iconic two door sport coupe known and loved around the world as “Mustang.”

the mustang is a two door sports coupe with good performance at the low end snd world class performance at the high end

is it better with the v8? Absolutely. And a v8 should always be there - and not stagnant either. As much energy as has been given to the little ecoboost engines snd EVs should be going into making the v8 not only viable in the future, but more powerful and more reliable.

Yet if you had a v16 or jet engine mustang, it would still be a mustang.

but if you had a 4 door sedan, etc. it’s no longer a mustang.

 

[9secondko]

I thought we agreed to stop arguing about what is and isn't a mustang. Let's just let that part of the discussion go. We went getting anywhere with it, and frankly, all of us just keep repeating the same points over and over again.

the thread was over after the video Madnomad had posted. It was pretty definitive.

The mustang is what it is. A performant two door sports coupe. It’s not a 4 door whatever or a truck or anything else.

let the icon be an icon. Not diluted into a bunch of cruft just to try to sell the cruft. It’s not working anyway.

focus instead on making the mustang compelling and the impossibly best attainable sports car in the industry. Faster, with better handling, better looks, better reliability, lighter, shrink it down where you can and let it be the “poster car” it’s supposed to be.

 

[9secondko]

Oh, you mean like the Jeep Wrangler that had a very specific identity and purpose, and they added two doors and it became hugely successful?

Also, you are not referee on what a mustang is or isn't.

The mustang is a fun performance affordable vehicle with two doors. If Ford adds two more, the mustang will be a fun performance affordable vehicle with two doors and an optional four doors. Period. If you don't like it, email Ford with your thoughts and feelings.

no. I mean the jeep and bronco, the batmobile, vehicle voltron, and whatever else you want to throw in has nothing to do with the Mustang, which has a very clear, very specific identity as a cool, slightly rebellious two door sports coupe.
(4 doors=old, not cool, not rebellious, not sporty, and not really coupe. It’s a total shift away.)


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