"Mach 4" 4-Door Mustang + Off-Road Baja Mustang models previewed at Ford dealers meeting!

[onaccountof]

Why not slap some taillights on a plane and some stripes and call that a Mustang.

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[fpvfan1]

Falcon would be an Amazing car if built alot like the Australian one. For all the above saying about a twin turbo 5.0L V8, that would be a terrible idea. First of all the cost of the car would easily be $95K. Ecoboost cars (or the return of the Barra I-6 Turbo) would be much better idea. Honestly I wouldn't even waste my time with a V8 mustang. turbo-6 cars are way better performers than a DOHC V8 and can be tuned way easier to produce way more power and torque.

 

[Radiant]

I think we have to separate between what we might want as an $80k+ special edition, and what's going to be the "production" car, for sure.

For all the above saying about a twin turbo 5.0L V8, that would be a terrible idea.

For the cost reasons you mention, I see them using the existing 2.5L Hybrid, 2.3L Ecoboost, 3.0L Ecoboost, and 5.0 Coyote as their potential engine pool, with most of the sales being the smaller engines.

 

[Zig]

Falcon would be an Amazing car if built alot like the Australian one. For all the above saying about a twin turbo 5.0L V8, that would be a terrible idea. First of all the cost of the car would easily be $95K. Ecoboost cars (or the return of the Barra I-6 Turbo) would be much better idea. Honestly I wouldn't even waste my time with a V8 mustang. turbo-6 cars are way better performers than a DOHC V8 and can be tuned way easier to produce way more power and torque.

Uh remove the turbo(s) and compare na ? Apply the same knowledge / expertise to the 8 and not a 6 nor 4 will catch it.

 

[Cobra99]

I'm so confused by your logic right now. The entire basis for your argument against a mustang sedan was because the mustang started life as a 2 door sports car, and has been a 2 door sports coupe throughout the decades, that a sedan wouldn't fit the name. But the thunderbird, which started life as a 2 door coupe, and was a 2 door coupe throughout multiple generations, you're fine with doing a sedan version of that?

If that's ok with you, then the entire argument about you be against a two door nameplate being put on a four door doesn't really hold water. No, I'm just gonna let it go, I'm not gonna get back into this back and forth, I said I wouldn't, just let it go.

Are you just here to argue? It has also been a 4 door

 

[Cobra99]

Touché yes the plane example didn't go as I expected

 

[MaddNomad]

Falcon would be an Amazing car if built alot like the Australian one. For all the above saying about a twin turbo 5.0L V8, that would be a terrible idea. First of all the cost of the car would easily be $95K. Ecoboost cars (or the return of the Barra I-6 Turbo) would be much better idea. Honestly I wouldn't even waste my time with a V8 mustang. turbo-6 cars are way better performers than a DOHC V8 and can be tuned way easier to produce way more power and torque.

Modern version of this with more effort on the interior and exterior obviously since it’s dated

Are you just here to argue? It has also been a 4 door

Lol. Quite literally.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Are you just here to argue? It has also been a 4 door

And it did fine. So again, the argument against a 2 door coupe transitioning to a sedan doesn't really hold up.

 

[MaddNomad]

And it did fine. So again, the argument against a 2 door coupe transitioning to a sedan doesn't really hold up.

Holds up for cars that had identity issues historically to begin with. Mustang isn’t one of them because it never had a issue like they did.

As far as the big 3 goes (to name a few we’ve talked about):
Falcon
Thunderbird
Charger
Maverick (complete different class now)

all been killed off, changed significantly and found success later with a certain style. Falcon and Charger as 4 doors, Maverick as a unibody truck. They all had lineup/marketing issues until they were changed.

 

[Zig]

And it did fine. So again, the argument against a 2 door coupe transitioning to a sedan doesn't really hold up.

Then why not take the jewel - ford gt 4-door?, it’s got the name recognition and the pedigree to influence desire.

 

[fpvfan1]

Uh remove the turbo(s) and compare na ? Apply the same knowledge / expertise to the 8 and not a 6 nor 4 will catch it.

The cost of that v8 pipe dream would make the car way too expensive. The only real benefit is sound and that's kind of pointless. A stock 3.5L ecoboost from the raptor, if put in a car would literally stomp a mud hole in a coyote powered mustang, especially awd. Not to mention the ecoboost 3.5 is extremely tune friendly in comparison to the 5.0L. The 3-liter ecoboost puts out more hp than a first gen 5.0 so in reality Ford could really separate coupe from the four door by simply using all ecoboost powertrains.

 

[9secondko]

I think we have to separate between what we might want as an $80k+ special edition, and what's going to be the "production" car, for sure.



For the cost reasons you mention, I see them using the existing 2.5L Hybrid, 2.3L Ecoboost, 3.0L Ecoboost, and 5.0 Coyote as their potential engine pool, with most of the sales being the smaller engines.

Ifitwere limited. But economies of scale changes everything

The cost of that v8 pipe dream would make the car way too expensive. The only real benefit is sound and that's kind of pointless. A stock 3.5L ecoboost from the raptor, if put in a car would literally stomp a mud hole in a coyote powered mustang, especially awd. Not to mention the ecoboost 3.5 is extremely tune friendly in comparison to the 5.0L. The 3-liter ecoboost puts out more hp than a first gen 5.0 so in reality Ford could really separate coupe from the four door by simply using all ecoboost powertrains.

Negative. You take the same engine and just add turbos with inter oilers. It’s actually not that much, especially with economies of scale. You could make the same argument about the eco 6 or 4.

ford likely spends more on the eco 6 then thr
coyote. Making money hand over fist on an aged platform. Thry could go to ecoboost b8 across the line now and not need to charge a dime more.

economies of scale are beautiful things.

ecoboost v8 is where it’s at. They could even revive the 289 size if they wanted to market it a certain way.

it’s probably time for a ground up, clean-sheet v8 OHC Design for the next 20 years as it is.

 

[Radiant]

economies of scale are beautiful things.

I strongly suspect Ford will go mild-hybrid with their next iteration of the V8. They can still include a turbo ("Ecoboost V8") for the insane-spec versions, but the mild-hybrid system solves a lot more of their particulate emissions restrictions, CAFE, and other taxes that will otherwise be added onto the Mustangs in the 2030s.

 

[9secondko]

I strongly suspect Ford will go mild-hybrid with their next iteration of the V8. They can still include a turbo ("Ecoboost V8") for the insane-spec versions, but the mild-hybrid system solves a lot more of their particulate emissions restrictions, CAFE, and other taxes that will otherwise be added onto the Mustangs in the 2030s.

that will work so long as they take the approach where the engine charges to e motor. A couple cars doing that now.

I think you’re right that that is the way to go. If they can do it right
But then they should do that across the board with 4 and 6 cylinders. No need to turbo the little d add turbos when “e-boost” (TM) would solve the issue of anemic NA power.

they definitely have a world class turbo setup though.

and the battery disposal is a huge environmental and logistical concern.

so we will see how it shakes out over the next administration or two.

 

[Radiant]

that will work so long as they take the approach where the engine charges to e motor. A couple cars doing that now.

so we will see how it shakes out over the next administration or two.

Yeah, it'll be e-boost, not a Prius. That said the "cheap route" of ecoboosting the existing V8 Coyote would be hilarious, even if that version couldn't be sold internationally or in California. Just let RTR or Ford Performance make a few to be the "S650 SVO".

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