S650 with PP for Track Days

[Dragster]

Yes!

That's nice to know! Do you know if it's for both manual and automatic cars?

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[OnlyNonScout]

I have the 10 speed automatic. I'm not sure why they wouldn't on both.

 

[Flyingtexan]

I tracked and AX my 2019 base GT manual for a total of 40 track hours without any issues.
I lowered the car, added camber plates and upgraded the front sway bar. I installed the big Brembos from the PP with track pads, and fitted 305-30-19 tires on all 4 corners and it was fine.
I'll do the same with my S650. For the track these heavy cars really benefit from wide tires and camber in the front. The PP suspension, wheels and tires will be fine if you're 100% new to tracking cars. As you become more proficient the narrow tires will limit what you can do and you'll wear them fast.

Just bought a set of used 2020 PP rims, and am looking for a suitable tire combo all the way around. So with the lowered car and 305's did you have any rubbing issues. Also are you using any spacers? Thanks.

 

[Ewheels]

Just bought a set of used 2020 PP rims, and am looking for a suitable tire combo all the way around. So with the lowered car and 305's did you have any rubbing issues. Also are you using any spacers? Thanks.

When you say PP rims, are you referring to the 19x9 and 19x9.5 wheels? You will not be able to fit 305s on those, just FYI.

I know you didn't ask me but I also run 305s on every corner. In the front, I have a net offset of +25 (+50 wheel with 25mm spacer) at -3° camber and I do get slight rubbing on the outside fender at full compression (going over curbing on track). I think a +27 offset would be perfect or just add more negative camber.

 

[2BigPups]

Some folks I tracked with that run HPDE with GTs with PP consistently run into diff overheating in less than 15 min if the temp is above low 80's, even with exhaust wrap. And that is after they have upgraded the wheels, tires, camber plates, aero, etc.

The Mach 1 and Dark Horse already have the air to air oil, trans, and diff coolers, DOT4 brake fluid, Ferodo 2500 brake pads, and other bits from the GT350 and GT500. The HP versions add upgraded front splitter and rear spoiler, adjustable camber plates, 305/315 tires, 10.5"/11" wheels, springs, rear sway bar.

I ended up spending close to $6k to upgrade my 2021 non-HP Mach 1 to HP specs back in 2022. Would be a bit more now.

Bottom line, with GT PP expect to upgrade a bunch of stuff for track days, Mach 1/Dark Horse still upgrade but not as much, Mach 1 HP/Dark Horse HP just go to the track as is. Maybe upgrade the brakes as you get faster.

Just my $0.02.

 

[8LAKK8UNSHINE]

I have a 2024 GT Premium performance pack with mag ride. The S650s with performance pack have all the coolers (oil, diff, trans), and you would want the coolers for any track duty (particularly in a warm climate). Adding a couple of bottles of water wetter to the expansion tank can help reduce engine temps a few degrees. I have yet to track the car so can't speak on experience with temps.

You definitely want to upgrade to a 600 brake fluid and consider pads.

The right tires make all the difference and I agree with the 305 square setup and actual track tire would be best. Front camber plates and track alignment would serve you well. Steeda stop the hop street starter kit does wonders to tighten the rear end and reduce wheel hop.

 

[krisk]

I have a 2024 GT Premium performance pack with mag ride. The S650s with performance pack have all the coolers (oil, diff, trans), and you would want the coolers for any track duty (particularly in a warm climate). Adding a couple of bottles of water wetter to the expansion tank can help reduce engine temps a few degrees. I have yet to track the car so can't speak on experience with temps.

You definitely want to upgrade to a 600 brake fluid and consider pads.

The right tires make all the difference and I agree with the 305 square setup and actual track tire would be best. Front camber plates and track alignment would serve you well. Steeda stop the hop street starter kit does wonders to tighten the rear end and reduce wheel hop.

The 2024 GT PP doesn’t have a differential cooler, and the axle will overheat on the track, even with the exhaust wrapped. Add a cooler and all is good.

 

[8LAKK8UNSHINE]

It has a diff cooler. I have one. I don't know why people would speak on this when they don't know. Matter of fast - just google the spec sheet; it has all the coolers. ******corrected******* Some online information is incorrect. The pp does not have a diff cooler, only temp gauge. Note: diff coolers may cost between several hundred and even a couple thousand dollars to install.

 

[krisk]

It has a diff cooler. I have one. I don't know why people would speak on this when they don't know. Matter of fast - just google the spec sheet; it has all the coolers.

I’m guessing they forgot to install the differential cooler on my PP then. I had to install one myself. Could you post a photo of the OEM PP differential cooler? I’m interested to see it.

 

[8LAKK8UNSHINE]

I'm not going to put my car up on jack stands and take pictures for you. I will include a link and what I can find. I don't know what you have, or the differerence, but:


AI Overview
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Yes, the 2024 Ford Mustang GT Premium with the Performance Pack and MagneRide (optional) includes oil, differential, and transmission coolers.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Engine Oil Cooler:
  The Performance Pack includes an auxiliary oil cooler to enhance engine cooling capabilities.
  
  
• Transmission Cooler:
  The Performance Pack also includes a transmission cooler, which is crucial for managing the temperature of the automatic transmission fluid, especially during spirited driving or track use.
  
  
• Differential Cooler:
  A differential cooler is also part of the Performance Pack, ensuring that the rear differential fluid remains at optimal temperatures, which is essential for performance and durability.
  
  
• MagneRide:
  The MagneRide suspension is an optional feature that enhances the handling and ride quality of the Mustang GT

 

[krisk]

I'm not going to put my car up on jack stands and take pictures for you. I will include a link and what I can find. I don't know what you have, or the differerence, but:


AI Overview
Learn more

Yes, the 2024 Ford Mustang GT Premium with the Performance Pack and MagneRide (optional) includes oil, differential, and transmission coolers.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Engine Oil Cooler:
  The Performance Pack includes an auxiliary oil cooler to enhance engine cooling capabilities.
  
  
• Transmission Cooler:
  The Performance Pack also includes a transmission cooler, which is crucial for managing the temperature of the automatic transmission fluid, especially during spirited driving or track use.
  
  
• Differential Cooler:
  A differential cooler is also part of the Performance Pack, ensuring that the rear differential fluid remains at optimal temperatures, which is essential for performance and durability.
  
  
• MagneRide:
  The MagneRide suspension is an optional feature that enhances the handling and ride quality of the Mustang GT

Google AI isn’t something I would rely upon for accurate information. Here is what it just gave me when I was looking up the transmission fluid level check procedures, which is completely incorrect.

 

[8LAKK8UNSHINE]

I researched this before I bought the car and found information stating that it has all of the coolers but the Darkhorse has larger coolers and a diff cooler under the car built into the aero components. . I have seen the oil cooler and it obviously has the other cooler on the driver side front of the car, but I have not inspected the car for the diff cooler. Now I'm curious to actuallyget under the car to look.

 

[krisk]

I researched this before I bought the car and found information stating that it has all of the coolers but the Darkhorse has larger coolers and a diff cooler under the car built into the aero components. . I have seen the oil cooler and it obviously has the other cooler on the driver side front of the car, but I have not inspected the car for the diff cooler. Now I'm curious to actuallyget under the car to look.

From my research, I’ve seen the PP adds the differential temperature gauge, which is not part of the regular GT, but does not include a cooler.

 

[8LAKK8UNSHINE]

Yeah, I believe what I have read and having the gauge, I didn't think to question it. I'll look under the car tomorrow and if there is no cooler - I'll give you an apology, too.

 

[krisk]

Yeah, I believe what I have read and having the gauge, I didn't think to question it. I'll look under the car tomorrow and if there is no cooler - I'll give you an apology, too.

No need for an apology if yours doesn't have a cooler. I'm just trying to be sure there is accurate information out there for people who are interested. It's aggravating that Ford doesn't give a detailed breakdown of the differences between models and packages; everything they provide is general marketing information for the average consumer. For those who are looking for details, it ends up requiring hunting for answers in places like these forums. The more information we can provide on the forums the easier it makes it for those in the future looking for answers.

I just did a google search on the differential cooler, as I had not previously, and here is what Google AI gave me:

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