What are you cross shopping?

[bloominguez]

As for the BRZ and GR86, they just don't catch my attention. They feel like a bigger Miata, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But it lacks wow factor, to me. An old coworker of mine has one, and it really doesn't impress me too much. The price is definitely better than the Mustang, and you definitely get what you pay for. But I don't really intend to buy one.

Also I will never bring myself to own a BMW. I cannot with the maintenance on those things!

+1 on the BMW maintenance. No more for me.

As for the BRZ/GR86, I didn't think much of it, either, originally. But then I got a chance to drive one extensively (previous generation) and it really grew on me. It is a fantastic car to drive, just a lot of fun. More impressive than it's appearance or specs would indicate, in my opinion. I owned my BMW at the time, 450 hp or so, and the BRZ was simply more fun.

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[bloominguez]

Come on now, the bmw is nice, I’m debating an m2

At least the M2 looks better than the M3/M4. And I'm sure they'll make the M3/M4 less beaver-y (I know there are aftermarket solutions already). I'm still not buying another BMW, though. One was enough.

 

[Apeman]

+1 on the BMW maintenance. No more for me.

As for the BRZ/GR86, I didn't think much of it, either, originally. But then I got a chance to drive one extensively (previous generation) and it really grew on me. It is a fantastic car to drive, just a lot of fun. More impressive than it's appearance or specs would indicate, in my opinion. I owned my BMW at the time, 450 hp or so, and the BRZ was simply more fun.

I didn't drive the BRZ extensively. 15 minutes maxiumum. I also used to be a Toyota tech, so I got to drive a GR86 every once in awhile. Maybe I should give it a 2nd, fairer chance. Depends on if I can get one as a rental or not.

 

[Mazman]

My dealership is FULL of preorders for them. I was told that I'd be waiting at least a year, likely longer, to get myself a DarkHorse, but the GT will be much sooner (more like September). Apparently it's the same story everywhere else. It's gonna be a very, VERY hot commodity

Yeah, it definitely feels peppy, but it's nothing compared to an American V8. And that's what I felt about the BRZ/GR86 too. It seriously feels like a bigger Miata to me, and it feels like it has the same power of the Miata, but the weight/size holds it down.

A friend has his GR86 incoming. Will be fun to test it out, he has gone from an ND -> 718 Spyder -> GR86

My MX5 is pretty sorted out (ppf, coilovers(changing existing ones to Öhlins R&T), will get larger sway bars in soon, A052 Yokohama tires, carbotech pads, Motul RBF fluid and some exahust mods and interior mods). No engine mods but it sounds nice and drives really nice on and off track.

But a V8 is a V8 and there is no way to get around that, I enjoyed hooning around in my GT as much as I like to drive the MX5 with all the weight difference and all.

 

[TheCur]

In addition to the Night Pony:

2022-23 ZL1, possibly convertible...
2018-2021 Porsche 718 Boxster GTS 2.5L and 4.0L
2017-2018 Porsche 911 Carrera / 4 / S, possibly convertible...

 

[mnemkov]

Bought a 22 used Camaro SS convertible with 6spd manual . Found it felt more responsive and handled much better than the current gen Mustang. Cost a lot less than a 24 Mustang as well. Will the S650 Mustang be any better?

 

[Jjr36011]

Final year SS 1LE. Beside the ergonomics of the car like visibility and crampish inside (from what I hear I am 6’3) , I have always loved chevy engines and Id like to have one for once.

 

[fb1]

Not only am I taking a serious look at the 2024 Mustang GT Premium Performance Pack Mustang, I am also cross shopping the BMW M240i XDrive. The only colors that interest me as far as the BMW, are Portimao Blue and Thundernight Metallic. Anyone else cross shopping/wishing at the same time?

Versus the 2022 Mach 1 Mustang - which is by all accounts except on track, much slower.

 

[fb1]

Not only am I taking a serious look at the 2024 Mustang GT Premium Performance Pack Mustang, I am also cross shopping the BMW M240i XDrive. The only colors that interest me as far as the BMW, are Portimao Blue and Thundernight Metallic. Anyone else cross shopping/wishing at the same time?

Versus the 2022 Mach 1 Mustang - which is by all accounts except on track, much slower.

also going in the direction of the M240i, my son has one and I was impressed!!

 

[TheCur]

Bought a 22 used Camaro SS convertible with 6spd manual . Found it felt more responsive and handled much better than the current gen Mustang. Cost a lot less than a 24 Mustang as well. Will the S650 Mustang be any better?

Congrats! Great cars, I wish I never sold my '17 2SS 50th convertible.

 

[shogun32]

Cars on my list included the CT5-V Blackwing (purchased

if only they'd sell one without the supercharger...

It makes no sense to can the Camaro and only produce the $$$ Caddys on the exact same line. Lest I sound like some of the DH desperados around here, I'm going to bet the Camaro will get re-launched as the CT5V with current corvette stingray NA v8 , or a CT4V with I4 and LT1 v8 and requisite down-market interior. Uses all the same parts anyway and double or triple the demand.

 

[Towerism]

I was cross shopping a wrx until I felt how gooey the shifter felt. Getting a dark horse instead for the tremec. I owned a 21 Mach 1 for about a year. That shifter feel with the mechanical linkage was chefs kiss.

 

[shogun32]

Will the S650 Mustang be any better?

rather unlikely. Ford's motto is do as little dev work as they can get away with.

 

[bloominguez]

if only they'd sell one without the supercharger...

It makes no sense to can the Camaro and only produce the $$$ Caddys on the exact same line. Lest I sound like some of the DH desperados around here, I'm going to bet the Camaro will get re-launched as the CT5V with current corvette stingray NA v8 , or a CT4V with I4 and LT1 v8 and requisite down-market interior. Uses all the same parts anyway and double or triple the demand.

Lots of mixed opinions on the Cadillac forum about this. There was some thought that killing the Camaro meant that all of these cars (Camaro, CT4, CT5) would be killed, that GM would shift that plant to something else entirely--which some people who already have their cars *like* because that ensures their cars will remain rare. But then we read that the CT4 and CT5 will get a refresh (interior at least, not sure about exterior) and continue to be produced. Unclear how long the Blackwing versions will carry on.

I agree, it seems strange that they'd continue building cars on that Alpha 2 chassis at Lansing Grand River and *not* build the Camaro. Maybe the Camaro will return after a hiatus. Or maybe GM will come out with a new 2-door Cadillac model. I happen to think that the CT4 would be great with 2-doors. There is room once you're in the car, but it's an ergonomic disaster to get into and out of.


I agree that the supercharger is overkill, I would have bought the Cadillac with "only" ~450-500 hp. The Tremec manual transmission and magnetorheological suspension are the real stars of the show, the car is a joy to drive. Hard to use 668 hp on the street, but I do try when I'm getting on the highway--before slamming on the brakes to merge with traffic! ;)

I thought the sweet spot in the Camaro line-up was the 1SS or 2SS (I can't remember) with the 6.2 liter V8 (non-supercharged), Tremec, with the magnetic ride control. Not the ZL1 1LE, as much fun as that would be. Similarly, go with the R/T Scat Pack if you want a Challenger, get 485 hp and a manual transmission (but I don't really like the Challenger). I think cars like the Mustang Mach 1 and the Dark Horse are right in the sweet spot. Plenty of power with great manual transmissions.

Ironically, even though I didn't buy a Mustang last year, I was sold on the benefits of both the magnetorheological suspension AND the Tremec manual after driving a Mach 1 back to back with a plain GT. Might not be worth it to everyone, but it was to me. I may buy a Dark Horse or similar in the future, at the very least I'm going to talk a friend into buying one.

 

[shogun32]

thought the sweet spot in the Camaro line-up was the 1SS or 2SS (I can't remember) with the 6.2 liter V8 (non-supercharged), Tremec, with the magnetic ride control. Not the ZL1 1LE,

yup 1SS/1LE was an outright steal back in 2019 and still non-too shabby on price even today. The regular ZL1 is a delight, power everywhere but on the other hand it doesn't make you work the car like the NA option does. I prefer the latter.

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