"Mach 4" 4-Door Mustang + Off-Road Baja Mustang models previewed at Ford dealers meeting!

[Upacurb]

People didn’t buy the Mach E because it’s electric. I personally think if they shoved an EcoBoost 3.5 in it that it would sell better…

as far as a 4 door Mustang… when I used to have young kids and needed a 4 door …

I had a G35 and a Charger…. Ihave bought a 4 door Mustang in a heartbeat…

this was before I got into trucks … travel trailers… back then I had no interest in owning a truck… now I couldn’t live without a truck…

if I had a young family and could only afford one car… I’d be all over a 4 door Mustang…

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[MaddNomad]

People didn’t buy the Mach E because it’s electric. I personally think if they shoved an EcoBoost 3.5 in it that it would sell better…

as far as a 4 door Mustang… when I used to have young kids and needed a 4 door …

I had a G35 and a Charger…. Ihave bought a 4 door Mustang in a heartbeat…

this was before I got into trucks … travel trailers… back then I had no interest in owning a truck… now I couldn’t live without a truck…

if I had a young family and could only afford one car… I’d be all over a 4 door Mustang…

or if Ford had any 4 door performance v8? lol

 

[Upacurb]

or if Ford had any 4 door performance v8? lol

Yes!! They can call it a Falcon… Mustang… Victoria…. Heck call it an LTD or Fairmont … I mean technically the Fairmont was a 4 door fox body lol

 

[9secondko]

Going off topic for a bit...I'm a fan of the New Edge Mustangs (they're what got me in to Mustangs in the first place), what do you like and dislike about your Terminator Cobra?

like you said - off topic.

loved it when I bought it. But really, REALLY looking for Ford to do something in that spirit again - and end the conversation.

but my favorite feature - is that it’s a two door sports coupe and not some 4 door grocery getter pretending to be one.

 

[9secondko]

Yes!! They can call it a Falcon… Mustang… Victoria…. Heck call it an LTD or Fairmont … I mean technically the Fairmont was a 4 door fox body lol

totally agreed. A 4 door s650 can be called something else and still enjoy platform savings - just like the mustang and Fairmount shared the Fox platform and were two totally different cars.

 

[9secondko]

Time changes mate. But I feel you with the naming. Maybe instead of Mustang, it could be something else (new). If not (as said), Ford probably tries to brand a seperate brand identiy with different line up's in the future. We just don't know yet.

of course time changes. But principles don’t.
Time changes the way you look, it changes the weather, and it changes the leaves on trees.

But it does not change identity. You are what you are. And the mustang is a two door sport coupe in various levels of performance.

 

[9secondko]

Time changes mate. But I feel you with the naming. Maybe instead of Mustang, it could be something else (new). If not (as said), Ford probably tries to brand a seperate brand identiy with different line up's in the future. We just don't know yet.

thays all we’ve been saying.
Nothing wrong with having a 4 door performance sedan. In fact that’s a great idea.

but it’s not a mustang. Call it something else - falcon, thunderbird, etc. and give it a distinct identity.

 

[DeluxeStang]

hate to be the party pooper but that just looks like the 2013 s197 gt500 we already had, but more cartoonish - with a touch of s550.
Time to move forward.

Move forward now? The 70s to the 90s was a god awful time for muscle car design. Any attempt to do a modern foxbody or 90s jelly belly stang would just lose a lot of the appeal. Make it too modern looking and you get people saying the mustang lost touch with its roots, and doesn't look specifical anymore.

I also have to disagree, the s197 doesn't look anywhere near as good as that sketch. There really isn't a single line on it where the two look similar to one another imo. But it's just a proposal, I'd be glad to see what sort of design sketches and renderings you liked.

 

[robvas]

Reminds of me of the dumb idea to have two Broncos...a Wrangler-like one and then that Escape based one.

 

[Stonehauler]

Introducing a performance sedan won’t affect it too much if named properly. I do think the Mustang has been leaning too far on the GT side of things for awhile, as far as size goes. People want more room but it honestly needs to get lighter and smaller, especially since Mr. Farley is serious about taking on the best in the world.

Maybe keep the rear “seats” or do like a shelf thing like the RX7 had

Let's be honest. The Mustang will NEVER be a lighter car in it's current 2 door, "4" passenger configuration. Insurance requirements, etc. will prevent that from ever happening. Also, from a sales point, I don't think we will ever see a 2 passenger Mustang. They tried that with the Thunderbird and it didn't happen. If it ever did go 2 passenger, I see it being Ford GT expensive which will be an "occasional" model.

The Mustang will just get keep getting heavier, and when goes EV (and it will, eventually), it's going to gain even more weight and get even bigger, 5-6000 lbs of vehicle at least, because charging times and range are going to be the two biggest things driving EVs. While performance will be a third rung for the EV Mustang of the future, weight will be far less of one. After all, they can go back to their roots and call it a straight-line car.

 

[Zig]

All of these ‘revisions’ involve modifying an existing and thereby distorting the acknowledged identity

 

[9secondko]

Let's be honest. The Mustang will NEVER be a lighter car in it's current 2 door, "4" passenger configuration. Insurance requirements, etc. will prevent that from ever happening. Also, from a sales point, I don't think we will ever see a 2 passenger Mustang. They tried that with the Thunderbird and it didn't happen. If it ever did go 2 passenger, I see it being Ford GT expensive which will be an "occasional" model.

The Mustang will just get keep getting heavier, and when goes EV (and it will, eventually), it's going to gain even more weight and get even bigger, 5-6000 lbs of vehicle at least, because charging times and range are going to be the two biggest things driving EVs. While performance will be a third rung for the EV Mustang of the future, weight will be far less of one. After all, they can go back to their roots and call it a straight-line car.

somehow the Camaro figured it out (how to be significantly lighter). And ford has better engineers. They just have to WANT to.

 

[9secondko]

All of these ‘revisions’ involve modifying an existing and thereby distorting the acknowledged identity

probably the single best post on the subject in the entire thread.

 

[9secondko]

Move forward now? The 70s to the 90s was a god awful time for muscle car design. Any attempt to do a modern foxbody or 90s jelly belly stang would just lose a lot of the appeal. Make it too modern looking and you get people saying the mustang lost touch with its roots, and doesn't look specifical anymore.

I also have to disagree, the s197 doesn't look anywhere near as good as that sketch. There really isn't a single line on it where the two look similar to one another imo. But it's just a proposal, I'd be glad to see what sort of design sketches and renderings you liked.

lol. We are in agreement. The 70s. SUCKED. The 90s jelly bean stuff was absolute trash. I do think the 97-93 Fox was pretty sweet though.

I was never a fan of s197 and no it doesn’t look as “good” as thst sketch. But the sketch does look like a cartoon/caricature version of the s197 with some s550 mixed in. That’s a backward step even from the current design.

 

[Stonehauler]

somehow the Camaro figured it out (how to be significantly lighter). And ford has better engineers. They just have to WANT to.

Tell me what you want to sacrifice.
Bigger brakes?
beefier motors?
The number of gears in your transmission?
the steel oil pan?
Gas Struts for a prop rod?
Power Seats?
Safety?

The Camaro used a steel and aluminum chassis in their vehicle, while the Mustang chassis is steel The S550 had aluminum fenders and quarter panels IIRC, the S650 has steel for safety and insurance reasons.

The Camaro was not nearly as refined as the Mustang is. The interior was slightly better than an econobox and the seats felt cheap.

Lets look at it one other way. With the way mustangs are not selling, Ford has no reason to put these "better engineers" anywhere near a new generation. There simply isn't enough sales to warrant it.

Ford has sold just over 30k 2024 Mustangs...compared to 122k of the first year of the 6th gen.

This is pathetic and Ford is probably looking for reasons to justify to the board the need to KEEP the Mustang and not cancel it outright. It certainly does not have the incentive to do a complete re-design unless it finds something to to a major parts share with that can drive sales back above 100k units a year.

Remember, they killed the Thunderbird because of sagging sales and it was a car that was selling between 75 and 130k unit a year the last generation.

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