New ZR1 hit 233mph

[9secondko]

With the amount of time it takes to engineer a car, ZR1 was already well thought out and designed before GTD was even announced. Could GM have tweaked it a bit once GTD was announced? Sure and maybe they did. But they didn’t have horsepower numbers or anything on GTD at that point.

Corvette has always done Corvette things without any real consideration as to what Mustang was doing. And vice versa. I find it hard to believe they all of a sudden started now.

If the ZR1 pricing comes in substantially below GTD, it will be an absolute performance bargain. I don’t deny that at all. I was a GM guy for 25 years before I bought my first Mustang almost 5 years ago now. I still love Corvettes with the C7 being my favorite. But for me, I think the GTD will be the better overall track car, even if it’s slower around the Ring than the ZR1. There’s other tracks where the ZR1 can’t use all its power and top speed and that’s where GTD will shine.

And frankly, I’m glad both these cars are being made keeping high HP V8’s alive here in the US. Otherwise we wouldn’t even have the opportunity to have this discussion. And that would be unfortunate.

bro. It’s a tweaked z06. It’s been in development forever but nowhere near finsl soevs. In fact, sources were putting forth an 800-900 hp number at the top end.

the GTD is a brand new animal. Took longer.

when the Gtd was leaking out, they pushed things up s notch. Wasn’t difficult. Take the zr1 anlready in development anns then anddress the z06 m engine, lower the compression, tweak, add forged internals, add turbos instead of a supercharger, and boom. Zr1.

be interesting to see how the flat plane crank holds up to that much boost at that displacement.

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[Paul's stable]

brushing aside whatever they claim the MSRP, anyone who thinks the real price tag for this car starts with a 1 is insane

Well I live near Vancouver Canada and when the Demon 170 came out they were $298,000 so I'm guessing up here they will be about the same but it's just a guess.

 

[9secondko]

Then why is every word out of Ford’s mouth when GTD competition is brought up Porsche? That’s not even my opinion, watch the Road to the Ring teaser that dropped a few days ago. You hear the Ford/Multimatic team say Europeans and Porsche. Not one word about Corvette and the ZR1. So don’t even listen to my opinions, I don’t give a shit. But Ford is telling you exactly who their competitors are with GTD.

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Uh, yeah... probably becuase Ford doesn't want people even thinking about the superior spec'd Vette (especially considering it will most likely cost considerably less) when considering a GTD. It's not what a seller manipulates you into comparing. It's what you actually compare. The Vette competes against Porsche, Ferrari, etc. The GTD competes against Porsche, Ferrari, etc. So... you know, the "race car" GTD competes with the ZR1. If you care anything about logic at all.

Everyone and their mommy are comparing the ZR1 to the GTD. Theyre competitors. WANTING it to not be so doesn't make it not so. You win some, you lose some. It's how the game works.

 

[RLE55]

If I'm reading the info correctly, the straightaways at ATP Automotive Testing Papenburg, are each 4 km long, coming to around 2.5 mi.
Ford GT: The Ford GT holds the Guinness world record for the fastest street-legal standing mile car at 283.2 mph. The car has since gone 292 mph and 310.8 mph.
Point is: there's always gonna be a faster car somewhere, who cares.....enjoy what YOU have.

 

[MAGS1]

Uh, yeah... probably becuase Ford doesn't want people even thinking about the superior spec'd Vette (especially considering it will most likely cost considerably less) when considering a GTD. It's not what a seller manipulates you into comparing. It's what you actually compare. The Vette competes against Porsche, Ferrari, etc. The GTD competes against Porsche, Ferrari, etc. So... you know, the "race car" GTD competes with the ZR1. If you care anything about logic at all.

Everyone and their mommy are comparing the ZR1 to the GTD. Theyre competitors. WANTING it to not be so doesn't make it not so. You win some, you lose some. It's how the game works.

My logic is purely from the manufacturer lens. Porsche is the gold standard on track, that’s who Ford build the GTD to go after. Not Corvette.

I don’t really care how many people are comparing GTD to the ZR1, that’s their business. I’m not buying either one so I really don’t care, but a manufacturer’s stated competition may not always be the same as the consumer’s viewed competition. People cross shop Mustangs with all sorts of cars, some would be considered actual competitors, some are probably not.

Are they going to compete against each other? Yeah, probably for some buyers and that’s fine. But from the manufacturer lens, it’s hard to benchmark against a car that didn’t even exist at the time GTD was announced and certainly not at the time it was being discussed and developed, which was well before the actual announcement.

GTD is being tweaked and will go back to the Ring in 2025. To try to beat Porsche, not Corvette, because Porsche is the gold standard…

 

[robvas]

If I'm reading the info correctly, the straightaways at ATP Automotive Testing Papenburg, are each 4 km long, coming to around 2.5 mi.
Ford GT: The Ford GT holds the Guinness world record for the fastest street-legal standing mile car at 283.2 mph. The car has since gone 292 mph and 310.8 mph.

you know that is not a stock Ford GT right?

2700hp....

 

[9secondko]

My logic is purely from the manufacturer lens. Porsche is the gold standard on track, that’s who Ford build the GTD to go after. Not Corvette.

I don’t really care how many people are comparing GTD to the ZR1, that’s their business. I’m not buying either one so I really don’t care, but a manufacturer’s stated competition may not always be the same as the consumer’s viewed competition. People cross shop Mustangs with all sorts of cars, some would be considered actual competitors, some are probably not.

Are they going to compete against each other? Yeah, probably for some buyers and that’s fine. But from the manufacturer lens, it’s hard to benchmark against a car that didn’t even exist at the time GTD was announced and certainly not at the time it was being discussed and developed, which was well before the actual announcement.

GTD is being tweaked and will go back to the Ring in 2025. To try to beat Porsche, not Corvette, because Porsche is the gold standard…

our logic is from the perspective of the fans. And those parting with insane amounts of money for serious performance.

It’s not rocket science for Ford to have done better. It was shortsightedness. And to be honest, it’s getting old.

Also, logic is logic. “Perspective” doesn’t change that. And logically, the GTD and ZR1 are clearly direct competitors. Everything from being 2 seaters to the price range to the exotic nature of the cars. Literally the entire fandom is comparing these cars - except for a few folks wishing it would all just go away, simply because their favorite doesn’t appear to be favored by the spec sheet or the fans. As I said before, win some, lose some. Hopefully Ford gets the message and shoots for the stars next time instead of slapping a body kit outsourcing a third party suspension on a gt500 and charging lambo money.

the silver lining in this is that it’s highly likely the telemetry from Gtd development results in a killer new mustang generation from the platform up.

 

[Bikeman315]

And the price is.........................

2025 Corvette ZR1 Starts at $174,995: America, Your Hypercar Is Here

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a63385121/2025-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-pricing/

 

[Farmer Fran]

And good luck getting one anywhere near that price.

 

[Bikeman315]

And good luck getting one anywhere near that price.

Good point if you can even find yourself in a position to actually order one.

 

[robvas]

At least they aren't restricting it so some dumb online selection process

 

[Bikeman315]

At least they aren't restricting it so some dumb online selection process

The astronomical ADM’s that dealers will charge will even be worse than the dumb online selection process.

 

[Farmer Fran]

It will be an even dumber selection process

 

[9secondko]

As we predicted, not only faster than the Gtd, way less expensive.

 

[robvas]

Did they announce Murica Stripes yet?

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