I like the red convertible in your profile pic.
YIKES!!
LOL this is ridiculous... but maybe it is worth it for Molten Magenta!
Long McArthur said:
I digress, we're in the era of big data. They know too much about consumers and preferences. They model these things and it has worked perfect so far. Marketing at some point is legal deception.
That's what everyone has been saying. The Mustang is not a car for value or for the affordable sports car enthusiast anymore. It stopped being that as soon as the Challenger and Camaro died. Without competition, Ford shifted the Mustang from being affordable value to being sports car. Whether it is worth it is entirely up to the consumer, but saying that the Mustang is an affordable entry option is not true anymore. And betting that "the new mustang crowd" being owners who can afford 50k+ cars to pick the Mustang over other options is a bet that I'm not too sure Ford is gonna win. From what I see in that crowd, people are not rushing to Ford dealerships, but are rushing to get Porsche, BMW, Mercedes which have built their reputation on performance combined with luxury. The mustang identity has always been about affordable performance, but the luxury part of it has always been missing. The crowd for 50k+ cars looking for daily performance cars are putting luxury over performance from what I see, and the mustang definitely is not that. Also if the new mustang crowd are those who can afford 50k cars, they would have bought mustangs already. They're just not interested in mustangs at all.
If it means the GT gets the Tremec standard [without a substantial price increase], I could see the MT82 on its way out. Otherwise, why? (Besides the sales numbers...)
Not everyone that buys a Mustang modifies them. In Florida you'll see plenty of Porsche's, Mercedes and BMW's highly modified, especially in S. Florida. When I was younger we were doing carbon fiber and or fiberglass widebody kits on 911's and 930's. Certainly you're not shallow enough to think just because they have the money to buy something like that they're not going to want to modify it. At the time those guys were dropping 40k+ on a kit and then sending it across the street for another 50k+ for engine work, turbo's, twin turbo's, sequential twin turbos, money was no object. There were guys I'd done two or more cars for, attorneys, dr.'s, cops, drug dealers, I've worked for them all. Every one of them wanted something that looked better and went faster than the next guy.
I was gonna say, exactly. And plenty of 911s, BMWs, and AMG cars see the track. Those German cars are really impressive, but some on the forum seem to think Mustangs are the pinnacle of performance and aftermarket modification
That’s the problem. No competition = ford can do whatever it wants with pricing. Sure they’re the only game in town with a V8 manual. But are you willing to pay an elevated price for it? That’s entirely up to consumers everywhere and with the price increases that question is something people will have to deal with at a higher priority with inflation everywhere affecting their lives. They can keep increasing prices year after year without iterating on anything with the car, and as long as the consumers keep buying then they’ll keep doing it. People in this thread are correctly calling it out because the only person this hurts is the consumer.
