agreywolfe
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street GT3: Mustang GTD
street GT4: Dark Horse/Dark Horse S if they ever decide to show it off
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Youāre right of course.
But Ford also knows that nothing theyāve ever built or ever will build carries the cachet of the Shelby brand, even if the car is built right alongside pedestrian Fords and never touched by anybody at Shelby American. Guys will stand on their heads and line up to pay outrageous ADM for a Shelby badged anything even though they know itās just a sticker. Specially engineered and built, sure, only with a Shelby sticker. Hey Iām including myself in this group too.
Yes, both iterations of the Ford GT are exceptions to this and no, I canāt say why. I suspect that the cars are so outrageous that theyāve established their own set of rules.
agreywolfe
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nows the best time to make the distinction, Shelby died over a decade ago the name is all thats left of it. The Ford GT is the prime example of Ford being able to separate themselves from the Shelby name. you look at the history of the Ford GT and Shelby is just the guy that helped make the legendary car. the 05 GT was easily able to separate that idea thanks to SVT.
As for the Mustang, Ford couldn't separate the Shelby brand with the S550 because of the GT350 and the leadership at the times desire to stick to retro ideas, hence the bullet and Mach 1.
the S650 is the best time to separate the dependency on Shelby for the top end. New gen car with more than a decade separated from Carroll Shelby. If Ford does a Shelby badged car this generation theyre using the Mustang to boost the Shelby name, not the other way around. not saying we wont see a car in the style of the GT500 this generation, but if Ford really wanted the mustang to separate from the Shelby name and bring back an old moniker, it wont be called a GT500 as thats a Shelby trademark, however something like the SVT Cobra isnt.
but its all speculation until Ford announces if its really going to be a thing anyway
As for the Mustang, Ford couldn't separate the Shelby brand with the S550 because of the GT350 and the leadership at the times desire to stick to retro ideas, hence the bullet and Mach 1.
the S650 is the best time to separate the dependency on Shelby for the top end. New gen car with more than a decade separated from Carroll Shelby. If Ford does a Shelby badged car this generation theyre using the Mustang to boost the Shelby name, not the other way around. not saying we wont see a car in the style of the GT500 this generation, but if Ford really wanted the mustang to separate from the Shelby name and bring back an old moniker, it wont be called a GT500 as thats a Shelby trademark, however something like the SVT Cobra isnt.
but its all speculation until Ford announces if its really going to be a thing anyway
Q6543
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Even in that video his rumor is for a couple yearsā¦ it may not come until 2028 earliest.
look with the s550ā¦ GT comes out in 2015MYā¦
The GT500 didnāt drop until post mid cycle refresh 2020.
the s650 gt500(or whichever name is chosen) likely wonāt be here until 2028-2030.
And plan on 200K FoR a MuStaNg
look with the s550ā¦ GT comes out in 2015MYā¦
The GT500 didnāt drop until post mid cycle refresh 2020.
the s650 gt500(or whichever name is chosen) likely wonāt be here until 2028-2030.
And plan on 200K FoR a MuStaNg
IceGamer
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Even in that video his rumor is for a couple yearsā¦ it may not come until 2028 earliest.
look with the s550ā¦ GT comes out in 2015MYā¦
The GT500 didnāt drop until post mid cycle refresh 2020.
the s650 gt500(or whichever name is chosen) likely wonāt be here until 2028-2030.
And plan on 200K FoR a MuStaNg
The first refresh is scheduled for 2025 - we haven't heard anything else yet. In addition, the only rumors we have regarding a potential GT500 replacement also said it would arrive around 2025.
S650 released in 2022 (with delay), first refresh after 3 years is about what one can expect these daysā¦ Besides, Ford may react to āwrongā design decisions that may or may not influence sales. If we get a refresh for MY26, theS650 would follow suit and do what the S550 did. However, since the S650 is already delayed the refresh might get pushed back a year but I doubt it would be more than that.
One problem that I would have with European customers: they donāt know any other name plates other than Shelby and this is thanks to movies and such. Dark Horse is equally famous as Mach 1, BOSS and Bullitt (has anyone actually watched this movie?? I didnāt, my father and most of my friends didnāt even know the movie existsā¦ Itās a thing in the US and maybe some really old people here in Europe are aware of the movie and its famous car but I doubt that there are many people over here that share this knowledgeā¦) However, since no Mustang before 2015 has ever been officially sold in Europe I doubt that anyone really cares about these names other than enthusiasts. If the GT500 isnāt a hybrid thatās nothing to worry about but Iām 100% sure the car would sell like hot cake, even at an MSRP of over $100K. The starting price of the 2020 GT500 was below $75K but I would expect Ford to drastically increase the priceā¦ greedy bastardsā¦ I expect nothing south of $95K, excluding destination: D
The Supercharged 5.2 has been confirmed to be built thru 2028. I anticipate the gt500 (or whatever they want to call it) to come out in 2025.
The Darkhorse is similar to Mach 1. I have a 2012 Boss I don't see much of an improvement here besides IRS but it's also almost 500 lbs heavier.
Give me the Predator engine and a manual!!
The Darkhorse is similar to Mach 1. I have a 2012 Boss I don't see much of an improvement here besides IRS but it's also almost 500 lbs heavier.
Give me the Predator engine and a manual!!
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This.... the Shelby brand is still considered a step above.......even if you look at the way Ford treats Shelbys- Shelbys tend to have bespoke motors / not a Coyote (not that there is anything wrong with the Coyote- love that motor as well)
But you have to go back to the early 2000s - 20 years ago - to find the last time a Mustang (Cobra- SVT- Mach 1) had a bespoke motor
But even Cobra- I mean the Shelby "Cobra" was the start of it all - on my previous 60s Shelbys- they all had Cobra's plastered all over them
The only pure Ford names in my opinion are Mach 1 - Bullitt - California Special (even the original California Special had Shelby parts on it)
Zengineer
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The Dark Horse is a fine car with some nice track oriented bits and pieces, but 14 extra HP can't possibly be where Ford Performance is eventually going with the S650. Nobody in that group is posing for pictures with a Dark Horse under a "Mission Accomplished " banner. There is almost surely something with a stronger engine and weight reduction in the works. Dark Horse R seems possible and is my prediction (based on no real information), Mach 1 maybe?, GTxxx or Cobra?...I doubt it.
The Dark Horse R and S are Track only cars already available. Bring back the Cobra or GT500. I don't see Ford just tossing away the Shelby GT500 name plate
Zengineer
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Could be. I drive a pickup truck and just keep a convertible around for fun. I admit I don't follow it that closely, had drifted over to German cars for the last few, and since it's been a few decades since Ford offered a convertible other than GT and Ecoboost.
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And the Boss...
IceGamer
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Instead of posting insulting posts you should have done some research...
You are referring to a post from last year and if you would've read it entirely you should have noticed that I mentioned a delay for the refresh..
The S650 was scheduled for 2022 but was delayed. Three years after job 1 is a common gap for a refresh these days. The refresh will therefore most likely happen around 26/27 depending on how much Ford ist behind schedule.
roadpilot
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That's why I began my post with a question - for clarification. Had a typo on the Gen, too.
I've supplied FMC for decades. There will not be a S650 refresh in 2026, and most likely not 2027, either.
Touchy, touchy.
No, it wasn't. My company produces a major component for 70% of every NA market Ford, Lincoln, and (back then) Mercury pass car, SUV, and light truck. We know about next generation vehicles *years* in advance. There was never anything in the works to replace S550 in 2022 or 2023. Not here, and we've supplied our unit for every Mustang built going back to 2015, and most of our staff, our capital equipmemt, and our assembly lines came from the Ford plant where they used to be manufactured and assembled for previous generations.
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JediMindTrix
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This is misleading information- actually the S650 was meant to come out sooner but there was a delay. Suppliers donāt get first hand strategic information like that until it goes concrete where you would know about the cycle planning in advance. My source? I ACTUALLY worked on the project.That's why I began my post with a question - for clarification. Had a typo on the Gen, too.
I've supplied FMC for decades. There will not be a S650 refresh in 2026, and most likely not 2027, either.
Touchy, touchy.
No, it wasn't. My company produces a major component for 70% of every NA market Ford, Lincoln, and (back then) Mercury pass car, SUV, and light truck. We know about next generation vehicles *years* in advance. There was never anything in the works to replace S550 in 2022 or 2023. Not here, and we've supplied our unit for every Mustang built going back to 2015, and most of our staff, our capital equipmemt, and our assembly lines came from the Ford plant where they used to be manufactured and assembled for previous generations.
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