Any new rumors/hints on the possible 4 door based off the current Mustang?

[9secondko]

Well not surprisingly you are misinformed on a few things. The Puma although a crossover actually uses the B platform which is a car platform originally used for the Fiesta and other small compact cars, so was car first, crossover second. There is now an EV version too. It will be replaced by the new small EV platform which has a similar brief. Oh and also the Puma is dimensionally almost identical the the Ford Focus (car) from the 1990's which everybody agreed was one of the best handling cars of the time, so don't get hung up on 'crossovers' not being cars.

Crucially though I assume you do understand how platforms work don't you, maybe not? A good example is the BMW M2, pretty good sports car ehh? Well you do know surely that it shares it's CLAR platform with the X3 and X4 amongst others which are clearly SUV's Doesn't seem to have harmed it does it?

Why is this? Simple have one or two flexible platforms that allow multiple models that save loads of development costs. Mustang doesn't sell anywhere near enough cars to be the primary driver of platforms, but that isn't to say they cannot make a great coupe using a flexible platform used elsewhere in the range.

Ford do and will continue to sell cars in markets that demand cars such as China and the Middle East

I don’t care about what European cars do with their platforms.

the x3 is way overpriced for what it is as it is.

the platform the puma is based on is indeed the global-b. However, the puma is not “effectively” a car anymore than a bmw x3 is. It’s a small suv. You’re reaching with statements like thst.

The point, which you’re so adept at avoiding is ford needs a NEW platform for CARS moving forward. A platform that allows for lighter, stronger, more capable cars that carry Ford into the future, setting them up for success. Not some middle of the road, cheap o method that’s just a band aid until the wound reopens.

you’re going to use the m2 as a great example? The thing is stuff heavy for being such a small car. That’s due to platform inefficiency. That’s exactly what ford needs to avoid in order to make their cars great moving forward. Weight hurts everything. Sure, you can add suspension, tires, reinforcement, and forced induction all day to mitigate weight, but that jacks up price (which is a big issue nowadays), gas mileage (also a big issue), and wear and tear. Common sense dictates that’s not a good path to progress.

So yet again, I reiterate the necessity of a new car platform, specific to the one iconic offering Ford has, allowing it to punch above its weight class while remaining affordable (or returning to affordability), increasing quality, and enabling the development of other cars based on it.

and get this, instead of foolishly calling all tje cars “Mustang,” that will be the name of the PLATFORM.

NOT THE Fox, sn95, s197, s559, etc. just “mustang.”

you want to throw the mustang halo around your lineup? Stop diluting the name into irrelevance by badging it into everything and let the platform speak for itself.

boom All issues solved.

but no. Some people have to go and follow me around advocating for everything being called mustang and inexplicably doing away with the one true differentiator ford has - the superior modern v8.

Ford has made wrong turn after wrong turn. I e heard statements lately that not only reveal a few more wrong turns coming up, but also some wise forward looking statements that bode well for the future of the real mustang and its world class v8 engine.

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[MaddNomad]

I'm amazed they don't sell it in the US as it is by far their biggest selling car in Europe. If they were going to they would have by now. Maybe the new compact EV platform which will be used for the new Puma will be the next opportunity.

Falcon is long gone I'm afraid, it's EA169 platform was unique and had no future.

I just mean a Falcon on the Mustang platform. Would be cool since the Australians helped design the Ranger Raptor, it’s a fun truck. Would be a cool little homage to Australian development, while giving some of that nod to the Mustang beginnings/relationship.

I always felt like the Puma should’ve replaced the Escape.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

...so if the 4-door "Mustang" is real, should it be a compact, midsize, or full-size sedan? (I know I'm asking a lot of questions as of late, sorry for that.)

 

[Gregs24]

I don’t care about what European cars do with their platforms.

the x3 is way overpriced for what it is as it is.

the platform the puma is based on is indeed the global-b. However, the puma is not “effectively” a car anymore than a bmw x3 is. It’s a small suv. You’re reaching with statements like thst.

The point, which you’re so adept at avoiding is ford needs a NEW platform for CARS moving forward. A platform that allows for lighter, stronger, more capable cars that carry Ford into the future, setting them up for success. Not some middle of the road, cheap o method that’s just a band aid until the wound reopens.

you’re going to use the m2 as a great example? The thing is stuff heavy for being such a small car. That’s due to platform inefficiency. That’s exactly what ford needs to avoid in order to make their cars great moving forward. Weight hurts everything. Sure, you can add suspension, tires, reinforcement, and forced induction all day to mitigate weight, but that jacks up price (which is a big issue nowadays), gas mileage (also a big issue), and wear and tear. Common sense dictates that’s not a good path to progress.

So yet again, I reiterate the necessity of a new car platform, specific to the one iconic offering Ford has, allowing it to punch above its weight class while remaining affordable (or returning to affordability), increasing quality, and enabling the development of other cars based on it.

and get this, instead of foolishly calling all tje cars “Mustang,” that will be the name of the PLATFORM.

NOT THE Fox, sn95, s197, s559, etc. just “mustang.”

you want to throw the mustang halo around your lineup? Stop diluting the name into irrelevance by badging it into everything and let the platform speak for itself.

boom All issues solved.

but no. Some people have to go and follow me around advocating for everything being called mustang and inexplicably doing away with the one true differentiator ford has - the superior modern v8.

Ford has made wrong turn after wrong turn. I e heard statements lately that not only reveal a few more wrong turns coming up, but also some wise forward looking statements that bode well for the future of the real mustang and its world class v8 engine.

Not sure what the X3 price has to do with anything?

I don’t care about what European cars do with their platforms.

Car makers are global - not European cars, global cars. So are the platforms. BMW sell cars GLOBALLY with the same platforms, so do Ford. Car makers have or aim to have between 1 and 3 platforms in total globally.

Have you ever seen or sat in a Puma? It is a Fiesta with a bit more headroom. It is dwarfed by an X3. You completely ignored that the B platform is a car platform of old. Even the Ford compact SUV's such as the Kuga (Escape) are based on the C2 platform first used by the Focus (a car)

Ford does need new platforms which is why it is developing them. C2 has evolved with time to include the GE1 and the new compact EV platform is well into development. I'm not avoiding that at all as you say, but I don't see why you can't accept they are already happening? Do you not believe Ford are developing the new small car EV platform?

You do of course know the M2 (and M4) based on the CLAR modular platform are LIGHTER (or similar depending on spec) than the Mustang on a dedicated platform. The M2 is fairly heavy because it is effectively an M4 with a bit lopped off. Doesn't seem to be a problem selling either of them however or any doubt about their performance and handling!

 

[9secondko]

Not sure what the X3 price has to do with anything?

I don’t care about what European cars do with their platforms.

Car makers are global - not European cars, global cars. So are the platforms. BMW sell cars GLOBALLY with the same platforms, so do Ford. Car makers have or aim to have between 1 and 3 platforms in total globally.

Have you ever seen or sat in a Puma? It is a Fiesta with a bit more headroom. It is dwarfed by an X3. You completely ignored that the B platform is a car platform of old. Even the Ford compact SUV's such as the Kuga (Escape) are based on the C2 platform first used by the Focus (a car)

Ford does need new platforms which is why it is developing them. C2 has evolved with time to include the GE1 and the new compact EV platform is well into development. I'm not avoiding that at all as you say, but I don't see why you can't accept they are already happening? Do you not believe Ford are developing the new small car EV platform?

You do of course know the M2 (and M4) based on the CLAR modular platform are LIGHTER (or similar depending on spec) than the Mustang on a dedicated platform. The M2 is fairly heavy because it is effectively an M4 with a bit lopped off. Doesn't seem to be a problem selling either of them however or any doubt about their performance and handling!

based on sales, performance, and quality… yes, Ford absolutely needs a new car platform. Not a heavier than needs to be inefficient platform that soaks up engine power rather than putting it to the road.

Investing a new Mustang specific platform subsequently applied to other cars would solve all of the issues mentioned in this thread for a long time to come.

you can’t build a castle on a bad foundation.

build great products and not only will you have customets today, but tomorrow too.

 

[Sharkman]

OK you really need to do some PROPER research rather than posting misinformation!

There is no such thing as 'depleted Lithium' in batteries. The Lithium is in compound form and doesn't burst into flames or explode when it gets wet. They may short circuit when submerged (especially in salt water) but that is not a Lithium explosion. There were 14 million EV's sold globally last year alone - how many burst into flames? The batteries do lose the ability to hold charge over time but much less than initially expected and when done in the EV they can be repurposed or recycled - all of these things are happening NOW.

Finally your ICE chip oil solution cannot be true can it? Where does the Carbon in the oil molecules after combustion? It has to go somewhere!

Basic Chemistry!

Well sorry about that, I am just a guy with a PhD in Theoretical Physics, Electrical Engineering and a PhD in Analytical Mathematics, and speaking as the Physicist, when the atomic energy of an element drops below a certain base level, the atom can not ever be reconstituted, regardless of how much you want it to reconstitute. It just will not happen.

 

[9secondko]

Well sorry about that, I am just a guy with a PhD in Theoretical Physics, Electrical Engineering and a PhD in Analytical Mathematics, and speaking as the Physicist, when the atomic energy of an element drops below a certain base level, the atom can not ever be reconstituted, regardless of how much you want it to reconstitute. It just will not happen.

well… dang.
Remind me not to argue with that guy.

 

[Zig]

Well sorry about that, I am just a guy with a PhD in Theoretical Physics, Electrical Engineering and a PhD in Analytical Mathematics, and speaking as the Physicist, when the atomic energy of an element drops below a certain base level, the atom can not ever be reconstituted, regardless of how much you want it to reconstitute. It just will not happen.

In jest, Transmutation

 

[Q6543]

Cars were very bad business for ford and they lost money on most of them they sold to cater to CAFE standards (I’ll admit it’s over my head how it completely works)

Which also ties in to EVs and their push, ford makes money on F150s, and Broncos… and that’s about it, everything else is a break even or loss..

If they do a car/sedan… it’s at a loss to them to try and offset CAFE standards or generate buzz for the brand…. The thought is GTD is badass… I’ll go buy a F150 now

 

[9secondko]

In jest, Transmutation

Not transubstantiation?

oh wait. Completely different field of misunderstood takes on actual science.

I’ll see myself out.

 

[9secondko]

Cars were very bad business for ford and they lost money on most of them they sold to cater to CAFE standards (I’ll admit it’s over my head how it completely works)

Which also ties in to EVs and their push, ford makes money on F150s, and Broncos… and that’s about it, everything else is a break even or loss..

If they do a car/sedan… it’s at a loss to them to try and offset CAFE standards or generate buzz for the brand…. The thought is GTD is badass… I’ll go buy a F150 now

bevause they didn’t make quality cars. They looked good. Ram good for a limited time. But they weren’t built well and were patchwork efforts combined will old carryover Frankensteined with new.

gross. Why would anyone buy that when they could buy a better car from Honda, Toyota, Hyundai or BMW at similar price points.

so here is ford saying they want to introduce some new cars, 4 door, Baja, etc. I’ll take them at their word.

and also maintain that an all new mustang platform is the best starting point for this to happen.

An ancient platform that’s already been holding the car back since the s550 gained weight over the s197 isn’t the answer. If Chevy could create an alpha platform, ford can do better. They don’t need a million different cars. Just a few, quality ones. And every one of them would benefit - as would ford and Lincoln.

just stay away from the new jaguar branding and it will be great.

 

[Aggie1999]

Oh look, if you are going to provide facts and evidence and not uninformed opinions then you will really struggle with some people on here

Don't you know that 80% of all statistics are made up 65% of the time? You really can believe most people's facts when they are backed with numbers on 9 out of 10 of their doctor recommended posts.

 

[Gregs24]

Well sorry about that, I am just a guy with a PhD in Theoretical Physics, Electrical Engineering and a PhD in Analytical Mathematics, and speaking as the Physicist, when the atomic energy of an element drops below a certain base level, the atom can not ever be reconstituted, regardless of how much you want it to reconstitute. It just will not happen.

Shame you didn't do Chemistry!

You have still failed to explain where the Carbon goes in your ceramic engine combustion process (or even provided proper evidence of the process anyway).

You also seem to be confusing Lithium in elemental form with Lithium compounds such as Lithium Iron Phosphate used in EV batteries, which can be 98% recycled. Do you disagree with these links and the companies actually carrying out the recycling?

How Are EV Batteries (Actually) Recycled? - Union of Concerned Scientists

Global Top 10 Lithium-ion Battery Recycling Companies [2024]

Recycled cathode materials enabled superior performance for lithium-ion batteries - ScienceDirect

 

[Gregs24]

Cars were very bad business for ford and they lost money on most of them they sold to cater to CAFE standards (I’ll admit it’s over my head how it completely works)

Which also ties in to EVs and their push, ford makes money on F150s, and Broncos… and that’s about it, everything else is a break even or loss..

If they do a car/sedan… it’s at a loss to them to try and offset CAFE standards or generate buzz for the brand…. The thought is GTD is badass… I’ll go buy a F150 now

Yes but those big V8 trucks will not be helping CAFE either, but I suppose they can afford the fines by charging more? They never sold in Europe as big V8 trucks are pointless here, too big, to thirsty.

They must be worthwhile in China and the Middle East where they still sell them.

 

[REV745DH24]

If Ford were to make a four door Mustang, they'd end up killing the brand. They almost did, with the eMustang in my opinion.

Four door aka like Lincoln suicide doors?? No thanks!

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