Any thoughts as to whether the ‘25s will be even more “connected” and “nannied up”than the ‘24s?

[young at heart]

By “connected” I loosely mean anything that causes the car to be more dependent on Mother Ford for it‘s systems to function properly.
When I recently picked up my ‘24 the salesman was horrified that I refused Ford Pass. But I’m old and set in my ways and strongly prefer as little connection as possible.

Likewise for nannies and forced systems that can’t be easily disabled. I’m not sure if I would have bought a ‘24 if the A.S.S. wasn‘t auto-disabled in track mode, which is where I choose to live. Just don’t want to fool with pushing the off button every time I start up.

This sort of thing might factor in as to whether I consider a ‘25 or not.

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Unenforceable. A LEO has to observe a speeding infraction and has to be able to ID the driver. Speeding tickets aren't issue to vehicles, they are issued to drivers.

 

[Sf22giants]

Unenforceable. A LEO has to observe a speeding infraction and has to be able to ID the driver. Speeding tickets aren't issue to vehicles, they are issued to drivers.

Depends on where you live. In the state of Virginia, where I may or may not have lived at some point (New York enforces similar laws), passed § 46.2-882.1., Use of photo speed monitoring devices in highway work zones, school crossing zones, and high-risk intersection segments. This section specifically states, in sub B: "A state or local law-enforcement agency may place and operate a photo speed monitoring device at a high-risk intersection segment located within the locality for the purpose of recording vehicle speed violations..."

And further, in sub C: "The operator of a vehicle shall be liable for a monetary civil penalty imposed pursuant to this section if such vehicle is found, as evidenced by information obtained from a photo speed monitoring device, to be traveling at speeds of at least 10 miles per hour above the posted speed limit in the zone monitored by the photo speed monitoring device. Such civil penalty shall not exceed $100, and any prosecution shall be instituted and conducted in the same manner as prosecution for traffic infractions." I should draw specific attention to the phrase "if the vehicle is found..." which means if you are the registered owner, and your car speeds through a trap, guess who gets the bill in their mailbox? Photo doesn't need to show the driver, at all. "But what about the operator of the vehicle?" Doesn't matter. The registered owner receives the citation in the mail. End of story.

Also notice the "infraction" part. You cannot be arrested for an infraction, alone, but you sure can receive a citation from hundreds/thousands of miles away, weeks later. Most infractions carry civil penalties, not criminal. Misdemeanor arrests require a person, citizen or LEO, to swear that a crime occurred in their presence. A felony arrest is entirely different, but I digress.

Enforcing speeding laws (the evidence of which would come from the vehicle itself, aka, the vehicle would swear that a crime occurred in its presence) is a matter of legislation; effectively create vehicle reporting laws similar to the existing camera laws and that's it, all done. Removing the LEO from the equation is already set precedent... something I may or may not have had a hard time accepting when it was my responsibility to enforce laws at one time or another.

 

[JollyPedro]

Depends on where you live. In the state of Virginia, where I may or may not have lived at some point (New York enforces similar laws), passed § 46.2-882.1., Use of photo speed monitoring devices in highway work zones, school crossing zones, and high-risk intersection segments. This section specifically states, in sub B: "A state or local law-enforcement agency may place and operate a photo speed monitoring device at a high-risk intersection segment located within the locality for the purpose of recording vehicle speed violations..."

And further, in sub C: "The operator of a vehicle shall be liable for a monetary civil penalty imposed pursuant to this section if such vehicle is found, as evidenced by information obtained from a photo speed monitoring device, to be traveling at speeds of at least 10 miles per hour above the posted speed limit in the zone monitored by the photo speed monitoring device. Such civil penalty shall not exceed $100, and any prosecution shall be instituted and conducted in the same manner as prosecution for traffic infractions." I should draw specific attention to the phrase "if the vehicle is found..." which means if you are the registered owner, and your car speeds through a trap, guess who gets the bill in their mailbox? Photo doesn't need to show the driver, at all. "But what about the operator of the vehicle?" Doesn't matter. The registered owner receives the citation in the mail. End of story.

Also notice the "infraction" part. You cannot be arrested for an infraction, alone, but you sure can receive a citation from hundreds/thousands of miles away, weeks later. Most infractions carry civil penalties, not criminal. Misdemeanor arrests require a person, citizen or LEO, to swear that a crime occurred in their presence. A felony arrest is entirely different, but I digress.

Enforcing speeding laws (the evidence of which would come from the vehicle itself, aka, the vehicle would swear that a crime occurred in its presence) is a matter of legislation; effectively create vehicle reporting laws similar to the existing camera laws and that's it, all done. Removing the LEO from the equation is already set precedent... something I may or may not have had a hard time accepting when it was my responsibility to enforce laws at one time or another.

The infraction goes against the registered owner yes, but they can't add points to your license for it. Yet another way for road pirates to pay their salary....

 

[Zig]

The infraction goes against the registered owner yes, but they can't add points to your license for it. Yet another way for road pirates to pay their salary....

Requires photo compliant plate(s)

 

[SweptVolume]

It's late so I may be mis-reading these laws, but am I right to infer from this that speed cameras are not commonplace in the US and further to that, in many states the only way to get "done" for speeding is to be pulled by a police officer?

I'm 38 and such halcyon times only exist in folklore of generations past here in the UK (though we are definitely past peak speed camera, which was at its worst 15 years ago or so).

 

[Zig]

It's late so I may be mis-reading these laws, but am I right to infer from this that speed cameras are not commonplace in the US and further to that, in many states the only way to get "done" for speeding is to be pulled by a police officer?

I'm 38 and such halcyon times only exist in folklore of generations past here in the UK (though we are definitely past peak speed camera, which was at its worst 15 years ago or so).

Correct, not as common but slowly getting the surveillance creep, in some waze tech is your friend.

 

[jimbo67]

Currently, the state of Massachusetts does not allow the use of automated enforcement. More than 500 communities in 26 states use red-light and/or speed cameras to nab drivers who disobey traffic rules, the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety reports.Nov 17, 2023

 

[jimbo67]

I got a speeding ticket in Iowa a few years ago by cameras. Never knew till a month later by mail. Never responded it went away. Don't we have bigger fish to fry?

 

[Crew4991]

Currently, the state of Massachusetts does not allow the use of automated enforcement.

Those lucky Massholes

More than 500 communities in 26 states use red-light and/or speed cameras to nab drivers who disobey traffic rules, the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety reports.Nov 17, 2023

Its probably just me, but it seems like most of those cameras are found in Colorado and Cali...
Ask me how I know.

 

[jimbo67]

Those lucky Massholes



Its probably just me, but it seems like most of those cameras are found in Colorado and Cali...
Ask me how I know.

Maybe they are giving us break because the cost of living here is ridiculous. I'm sure it's coming. Calgon take me away....

 

[young at heart]

By “connected” I loosely mean anything that causes the car to be more dependent on Mother Ford for it‘s systems to function properly.
When I recently picked up my ‘24 the salesman was horrified that I refused Ford Pass. But I’m old and set in my ways and strongly prefer as little connection as possible.

Likewise for nannies and forced systems that can’t be easily disabled. I’m not sure if I would have bought a ‘24 if the A.S.S. wasn‘t auto-disabled in track mode, which is where I choose to live. Just don’t want to fool with pushing the off button every time I start up.

This sort of thing might factor in as to whether I consider a ‘25 or not.

Thank goodness I put up this thread about speed cameras!

 

[Zig]

Thank goodness I put up this thread about speed cameras!

Are you implying new every year?
although, point acknowledged

once the ground work is laid it’s pretty easy to start boiling the frog. So yes/no, ever so slightly but under the guise of ‘safety’, not sure the ‘25’s will have/make major deviations from the current but as a river flows eventually gonna get there even if we have to walk up hill both ways (reference to all those in my day stories).

 

[Radiant]

Yet another way for road pirates to pay their salary....

Which is all speed enforcement is, for better or worse.

eventually gonna get there even if we have to walk up hill both ways

Nothing is certain but death and taxes.

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