Boss Mustang S650 Maybe Coming Soon (via January 2025 Trademark Filing)

[Rated R]

Im going to say .....the problem with the Mach 1 was that it followed the GT350...... not that there is anything wrong with the Mach 1 - I love me a Mach 1 HP car in Eruption Green......

I also wouldnt get too crazy on saying the people are lining up the door for the Dark Horse either- same thing...make mine a grabber Blue with handling pack and recaros please - but the bottom line is you can get one for under sticker now .....

During the entire run of the 350 and 500- you could never get one under sticker or if you did it was extremely rare......

but it all comes at a cost- out of warranty there are some VERY expensive parts that can break on the 350 and 500 .....but on the Mach 1 and Dark Horse.....relatively much less money if you have a catastrophic failure....

My car is under warranty until June of 2027 - still yet to be determined if I will sell it with a year warranty left and end up with a Mach 1 or Dark Horse in my driveway- or whatever else Ford may offer then.... I may go C8 Z06 as well.... just depends on what college the kids get into lol

If I owned a Mach 1 or Dark Horse- I wouldnt think twice about owning one outside of warranty.....would be very comfortable with it....my car not so much .....

The GT350 is such a heartbreak. Back in 2015 I went to a special GT350 event at Laguna Seca that revealed the car to Ford enthusiasts. I drove two laps and rode for a lap of two with one of Ford's pros. I was sold immediately. That engine is like a thousand pounding hammers when your on the throttle, I love that engine. Fast forward 2016 when I had the car for maybe two months w/ approx 3K on it. Driving home from work cruisin' on surface streets my instrument cluster lit up w/ badness, crunching sounds under the hood and coolant spitting out the tail pipes...the engine died a painful death.

Ford offered to replace the engine but I had my dealer call the right people to get me a new 2017. I took delivery of that one and had it for 6K miles or so. I sold it after maybe a year as I just didn't have faith in that engine.

I now have a '23 HP Mach 1. The Mach 1 was Ford's response to the GT350 that was costing them dearly in having to replace so many engines, cars and other related liabilities. I don't think the Mach 1 was planned initially until they started getting hit with those costly warranties. I really wish that the FPC engine worked out as I really do think it's one of the best engines ever, it's just not reliable. If it were, they'd still have it in the line up continually improving it like they have in the Coyote engine.

Love my Mach 1, it's a great car but it certainly is a trade off. Better torque down low, maybe more steetable than the GT350, but I still want that 5.2 in it sometimes. I'm just not willing to go through owning a GT350 again and certainly not out of warranty.

I secretly hope they haven't given up on the Voodoo and reveal the next Mustang has an updated version of it, but I think that ship has sailed.

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[Cucurú]

Oh I meant about the Mustang looking like a 911 .....

But while not quite old man status......turning 50 next month..... I bought and sold muscle cars to pay my way through school - just sold my 67 Shelby GT500 a few years ago...

Also just sold my 56 Ford Victoria with a built 428CJ

Other past cars include 70 Boss 302/ Mach 1 R code Drag Packs/ 66 GT350H/ 69 RS Z28 complete with DZ302 / 70 LS6 Chevelle / 440 Cuda....the list goes on and on and on and on and on....

Yeah they are not as fast as todays cars....but a HELL of alot more scarier!!

It's the quarter panels and side rear windows which reminds me of older 911s. Both my daughter and I have 2024. I have a Whipple in mine. She's going to get a Roush. Looks better. I had a 69 Impala SS 427 with 430 horses and Cherry Bombs. What that car would be worth today. Wow!

 

[Upacurb]

I secretly hope they haven't given up on the Voodoo and reveal the next Mustang has an updated version of it, but I think that ship has sailed.

That I understand...

on the 16s and early 17s they had the spin on oil filters that would vibrate off ...yeah just it seems like there was a ton of issues with the 16s and 17s spontaneously ending themselves as yours did....
I believe it was early 18 that they figured out their choice of rings was not ideal and switched them out among a bunch of other changes...but by now...all the 16s/17s that were going to break have broken by now....

Then in 19 when they switched to the Predator block - yeah the whole gen 2 thing....if you look at prices 19 and 20s are worth significantly more because of it....

Multiple guys now well over 100K miles on original motors- outside of the modified and track guys- rare you see one break on the forums today....

I mean when you track them/ beat on them constantly - I have buddies that build classic cars that see almost exclusively track time and guess what....they break small blocks GM motors too all the time too....

Keys for successful VooDoo ownership-

Keep them stock
Follow the "rules" (oil temperature vs RPM is key)
Dont live at the track
and these cars will last - but they are definitely higher maintenance then a Coyote -

That being said- mine is under warranty until 2027 - still undecided if I will sell it when off warranty- but I probably will keep it .....just nothing else I drive has the same feeling unless I step up to an exotic....

 

[topdawg4ever]

Agree, driving the DH with a Tremec is a blast.

The TREMEC alone makes a big leap. Lean towards the DH if considering the manual.

 

[Cucurú]

Agree, driving the DH with a Tremec is a blast.

I wonder what it would cost for a Tremec for an S650. I tried their .com, but nothing there. Probably 10K.

 

[JM150]

There is still room to move the 5.0 up on the power scale without boost. Hot side DI, upping compression to 13:1, yada yada. The 5.0 is only at the end of the line if Ford chooses it to be so. Look at what GM is doing with the 5.5L Gemini, 670 HP naturally aspirated on pump gas with a 12.5:1 compression ratio. Alot of that magic on that motor is utilizing hot side DI rather than intake side DI. You can also get into stratified fuel charges. I could see a higher compression more DI biased 5.0 with 540 HP or so for the Boss model.

Also recall Ford piloted a 5.4L Coyote in Le Mans GT3 circuit this year, essentially was a stroker coyote and it got a podium win with no reliability issues. The 5.4 Stroker Coyote would be worthy of a Boss nameplate with its 550 or so N/A HP. Would not be the first time Ford piloted a special engine in a competition and later put it into a production car (6.2L Raptor V8, 5.2L Predator)…

 

[robvas]

There is still room to move the 5.0 up on the power scale without boost. Hot side DI, upping compression to 13:1, yada yada. The 5.0 is only at the end of the line if Ford chooses it to be so. Look at what GM is doing with the 5.5L Gemini, 670 HP naturally aspirated on pump gas with a 12.5:1 compression ratio. Alot of that magic on that motor is utilizing hot side DI rather than intake side DI. You can also get into stratified fuel charges. I could see a higher compression more DI biased 5.0 with 540 HP or so for the Boss model.

Also recall Ford piloted a 5.4L Coyote in Le Mans GT3 circuit this year, essentially was a stroker coyote and it got a podium win with no reliability issues. The 5.4 Stroker Coyote would be worthy of a Boss nameplate with its 550 or so N/A HP. Would not be the first time Ford piloted a special engine in a competition and later put it into a production car (6.2L Raptor V8, 5.2L Predator)…

Hot side vs intake side DI?

 

[JM150]

Hot side vs intake side DI?

Exhaust side placement of the direct injector with upwards spray pattern within the combustion chamber rather than the traditional placement on the intake valve side. Better cools the intake charge and exhaust valves allowing for higher compression ratios on pump gas. It’s in its infancy but engines using this can run 12.5, 13, 14:1 compression ratios safely.

 

[IFFV68]

Personally, I think Ford fell short with the Dark Horse. I equate performance with horsepower and handling. While the Dark Horse may handle better than the GT, a 14 horsepower increase over the GT with AVE is pretty dismal. I wonder how many Z06's or Hellcats they'd sell with a 14-horsepower increase over their "special performance cars." It would peak my interest if they came out with a Boss version of the Mustang in the 550-650 horsepower range.

Amen

 

[IFFV68]

There's really not a huge difference for $3,700. I'd lean towards the GT.

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