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[9secondko]

Now here’s a legacy!

Ooooo! You found a modern one!

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[9secondko]

Honestly, you’re right. All these threads play on semantics. Kind of what keeps them from being to boring. But we agree on the main thing that really counts. We love our Mustangs!

the v8, non-suv “mustangs” anyway…

 

[9secondko]

You‘re mistakenly attempting to apply logic and math to an emotional decision. I never said it was worth more nor even remotely attempted to justify doing the deal. It was new and shiny and at that moment in time I wanted it. My ‘23 had 1500 miles on it. It was a pretty day. I was a little bored and felt like messing with some car salesmen.

I spent a long career as a car dealer, starting at age 21. The one thing I learned in close to 45 years is that new car purchase decisions are not always driven by need and CPA guidance. Apparently I’m not immune.

Honestly though I feel it was your car dealer experience that gave you thst kind of viewpoint. When I buy a car, sure I want what I want. But how much car I’m getting for my money counts as well. If it’s a nostalgia trip or some feeling, then it’s a no go. If it’s feeling combined with equitable specs for my dollar - or even better - a great deal for my dollar, boom. I’m in. I can’t even tell you how many car dealers have tried to jump on the idea that “this is the @&$! Right now. Or when they see you get excited and all of a sudden everything costs more. I learn quick in college after a few trips to various dealers. It was straight poker face market research, and what I’m getting for my dollar after thst.

I want an awesome fire breathing mustang. But if it’s not available at a price thst I deem worthwhile, then I’m looking at a competitor or a different vehicle entirely. .

 

[young at heart]

Honestly though I feel it was your car dealer experience that gave you thst kind of viewpoint. When I buy a car, sure I want what I want. But how much car I’m getting for my money counts as well. If it’s a nostalgia trip or some feeling, then it’s a no go. If it’s feeling combined with equitable specs for my dollar - or even better - a great deal for my dollar, boom. I’m in. I can’t even tell you how many car dealers have tried to jump on the idea that “this is the @&$! Right now. Or when they see you get excited and all of a sudden everything costs more. I learn quick in college after a few trips to various dealers. It was straight poker face market research, and what I’m getting for my dollar after thst.

I want an awesome fire breathing mustang. But if it’s not available at a price thst I deem worthwhile, then I’m looking at a competitor or a different vehicle entirely. .

I honestly couldn’t tell you. I tend to do what feels right to me at any given point in time. I spent a lifetime following rules and overthinking things and try hard not to always do so nowadays. Sometimes successful, sometimes not.

 

[Germansheperd]

So what? Do you really think they weren’t aware of this could happen? Especially after Covid all of internal people were making adjustments just in case.

Besides Ford Pro made $9,000,000,000 in profit and Ford Blue made another $5,000,000,000. Yeah, Ford knows their customers.

They still lost 5 billion on EV’s. They are expected to net 1.6 billion for 24 screwing the ICE customers and counting Ford Credit profits.

 

[jimbo67]

lol. Trust me I don’t. These cars just seem to have a thin layer of paint. At least compared to other cars I’ve owned.

I've been painting cars for 40 years and still grinding it out. A few factors, if you use your mustang as a daily and ride the freeway you can't avoid the paint chips. 1 and I am sure you follow cars that don't stay in their lane and drift into the shoulder, ( probably on their phone) which kicks up all the sand. 2 the hood slopes down in the front and the quarter panels catch every thing as they flair out. 3 sticky performance tires. 4 there is credence to Water base paint, it doesn't cross link to the sealer as well as solvent base coats ( thank the EPA green movement). 4 Mercedes and BMW use a different clear coat on there cars, which has a flex agent that helps but not bullet proof. Most shops don't even use the required clear on said vehicles. Those that do warranty work on those are supposed to? Another story. Do they?

We do warranty for Honda vehicles, get 2 or 3 a month, they cheap out and I won't get into it, why because most won't understand. Mass production and saving money. They make the customer foot some of the bill which is mind blowing. I have the ability when I do drive mine, unless there is salt on the roads. I take an extra 15 minutes and take back roads. Definitely stay back and be away from the car in front of you. Sad but true. As soon as you see a chip do yourself a favor and touch it up. That's all you can do. Hope that helps.

Not everyone can afford a garage queen. Mud flaps only help not a solution. PPF is an option but that has its own issues and limitations.

 

[9secondko]

I honestly couldn’t tell you. I tend to do what feels right to me at any given point in time. I spent a lifetime following rules and overthinking things and try hard not to always do so nowadays. Sometimes successful, sometimes not.

dang. Thst resonated. I hear you.

 

[jimbo67]

Comon sense has been removed, smart phones have made people less smart. I have tomorrow off, my son hit a curb slid on ice. Needs a lower control arm and wheel bearing on a 2021 corolla. He bought the parts, I am going to make him do the work, saving him a ton of money. What happens when they have to pay someone? They can't afford it. Hell I couldn't, they want everyone in an EV! God save us when they break. Take it to the dealer, good luck. Save the ICE. Gen Z can't change a light bulb in there house! Facts!

 

[Bikeman315]

They still lost 5 billion on EV’s. They are expected to net 1.6 billion for 24 screwing the ICE customers and counting Ford Credit profits.

Losing money overall and screwing ice drivers? I believe you are talking about Stellantis.

 

[jimbo67]

Losing money overall and screwing ice drivers? I believe you are talking about Stellantis.

True, Stellantis did that. Now they will pump up the ICE 6 cylinder, then bring back the V8. Will gm bring back a V8 Camaro? Competition is better. IMO

 

[Bikeman315]

True, Stellantis did that. Now they will pump up the ICE 6 cylinder, then bring back the V8. Will gm bring back a V8 Camaro? Competition is better. IMO

If they are still in business. I understand there is talk about selling Jeep and dumping Dodge. I certainly hope this doesn’t happen.

 

[jimbo67]

If they are still in business. I understand there is talk about selling Jeep and dumping Dodge. I certainly hope this doe happen.

Hopefully not? Not a Jeep or Dodge guy, but that wouldn't be good.

 

[erocker]

Damn right. That’s exactly what they are paid to do. And if they don’t they should be fired.

That's fine to a point but there's so many customers and so much you can charge. The "only pleasing the shareholder" mentality is a great way to extinct a business when you're forgetting about your customer and your product. I get it too if you have things wrapped up in investments and thinking your piece of paper is worth more than labor. It's disgusting, but sure.

 

[GrabberB]

I enjoy reading trending threads on this forum including the banter and wit they invoke.

I now feel inclined to do one of the following:

A. Grab a drink (Bourbon), go to the garage and kick the tires on my Mustang while cursing Ford.
B. Grab a drink (Bourbon), go to the garage, stare at my Mustang while contemplating my decision making processes.
C. Grab a drink (Bourbon), go to the garage, sit down, and admire my Mustang and be thankful they're still around today to be enjoyed by those who choose to own one.

Decision, decisions...... I've decided to go with C.

Just throwing a little humor in the mix.

 

[9secondko]

I enjoy reading trending threads on this forum including the banter and wit they invoke.

I now feel inclined to do one of the following:

A. Grab a drink (Bourbon), go to the garage and kick the tires on my Mustang while cursing Ford.
B. Grab a drink (Bourbon), go to the garage, stare at my Mustang while contemplating my decision making processes.
C. Grab a drink (Bourbon), go to the garage, sit down, and admire my Mustang and be thankful they're still around today to be enjoyed by those who chose to own one.

Decision, decisions...... I've decided to go with C.

Just throwing a little humor in the mix.

Any of the three would be viable considering the situation.

even better is option d.

grab a drink (orange juice, or white cranberry mixed with sprite), head to the garage, admire the mustang, start it, admire the burble of thst sweet high tech modern American v8, go for a slightly irresponsible drive, return, admire the mustang s’more, and look forward to the next gen (actually new platform) being even better looking, notably faster, handling better, and bringing even more joy in due time.

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