GTD Weight Revealed

[Rocket Man]

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[agreywolfe]

im aware, its more that im bored and feel like yelling at a brick wall

 

[Bikeman315]

im aware, its more that im bored and feel like yelling at a brick wall

I think the brick wall provide a better conversation.

 

[RebelMan]

LOL. OK Brie Larsen.

In your dreams.

it clearly wasn’t built for msny people since:

1. it’s slower than the car it was built to beat.
2. it’s incredibly expensive.
3. it’s slower than a corvette thst costs half as much.
4. there is no Nürburgring in America, so not msny will be making the trip.

it failed at its mission.

You seem unaware. It is a limited production, just as they all have been since the nameplate began. Boss 429 anyone?

1. You don't know that yet. A little history for the again unaware... They originally had their sights on the M3 (circa 2012) and they accomplished their mission. Now their sights are on the GT3 and they will again accomplish their mission. Patience Padawan.
2. Indeed. Many things are these days. But even at half the price I suspect you still could not afford it. So, what difference does it make to you either way?
3. The ZR1 is slower than a Plaid and it costs twice as much. You still don't get it what it means to be Mustang.
4. They don't have a Trail of the Dragon.

Ford and their engineers are succeeding in their mission and then some but perhaps not in the manner that you like but again they are not catering to you.

you may not care because you aren’t a fan. But those of us who’ve bought our mustangs over the years and preferred them to everything else do. We expect ford to at least honor their word. And we hope they aim even higher than that.

You come to the wrong conclusions. I suspect, I've bled Ford blue longer than you have been on this planet. Where were you when they announced the Probe? Did you write in to Ford about that? You can thank me now.

so when we are disappointed, it’s like the chiefs losing the Super Bowl. It’s the big game and you crapped the bed. So true fans get deeply disappointed over things like that. The zr1 is the Eagles in this matchup.

Heh, I'm a Cowboys fan. You're preaching to the choir. The difference between you and I is I never gave up on my team and I never will.

look, the GTD is a rad car. It’s fast, handles well, and looks great. But it’s not some massive leap. It’s just a 2020 gt500 with a body kit and suspension upgrade.

in reality it should have just been the gt500 for 100k.

there’s no reason to have it so expensive. The car is a known quantity. The drivetrain is a known quantity. The body doesn’t need to be carbon fiber. And the suspension can be added by anybody willing to work with multimatic I.e. 2015 Camaro z28).

so yes it’s a rad car. But it’s not $3-400k rad.
And it’s certainly not what ford hyped it up to be.

it would have been a great gt500 update.

Please tell me when and where Ford shared with you the GTD requirements definition?

As for the GT-500 designation goes I am afraid it's already out lived its usefulness. I seriously doubt we will ever see it again (from Ford). That said, the GTD nameplate stands on its own merit and its charter (along with Dark Horse) is to carry Ford into the future. The future of racing and the pride of ownership for those that it and its derivatives are meant for.

There was a time when people were hating on the Mustang II, I was one of them, but then I grew up. Were it not for the Mustang II you and I wouldn't be enjoying this wild discourse over the GTD. Maybe it's time to grow up?

 

[9secondko]

"Turns out it’s heavy."

yet has better power to weight than the 911 GT3RS

"Turns out it’s just a regular mustang with upgrades."

upgrades that require tearing the car down to is chassis and making permanent modifications

"Turns out it’s nowhere close to the gt3rs is was created to beat."

nowhere close despite being the fastest American car around the track, getting the sub 7 minute theyve been targeting and within 9 seconds of the GT3RS thats developed on the same track for a few decades. I am interested to see what they can post when they go back this year.

Sure it has horsepower. It’s also heavy. As in no ratio. Just plain heavy. Imagine what that power would do if the thing was light. Your tire bill would be a heck of a lot better too.

Power to weight ratio doesn’t make it turn better.

I don’t care if they tore it down or not. I’d hope so since it has its own body kit. Bottom line is it’s a regular s650 with upgrades. Not a race car legalized for the street.

Gt3rs was the goal. The sub 7 talk came after they didn’t hit it.

9 seconds is an eternity.

 

[9secondko]

In your dreams.

You seem unaware. It is a limited production, just as they all have been since the nameplate began. Boss 429 anyone?

1. You don't know that yet. A little history for the again unaware... They originally had their sights on the M3 (circa 2012) and they accomplished their mission. Now their sights are on the GT3 and they will again accomplish their mission. Patience Padawan.
2. Indeed. Many things are these days. But even at half the price I suspect you still could not afford it. So, what difference does it make to you either way?
3. The ZR1 is slower than a Plaid and it costs twice as much. You still don't get it what it means to be Mustang.
4. They don't have a Trail of the Dragon.

5. Ford and their engineers are succeeding in their mission and then some but perhaps not in the manner that you like but again they are not catering to you.

6. You come to the wrong conclusions. I suspect, I've bled Ford blue longer than you have been on this planet. Where were you when they announced the Probe? Did you write in to Ford about that? You can thank me now.

7. Heh, I'm a Cowboys fan. You're preaching to the choir. The difference between you and I is I never gave up on my team and I never will.

8. Please tell me when and where Ford shared with you the GTD requirements definition?

9. As for the GT-500 designation goes I am afraid it's already out lived its usefulness. I seriously doubt we will ever see it again (from Ford). That said, the GTD nameplate stands on its own merit and its charter (along with Dark Horse) is to carry Ford into the future. The future of racing and the pride of ownership for those that it and its derivatives are meant for.

10. There was a time when people were hating on the Mustang II, I was one of them, but then I grew up. Were it not for the Mustang II you and I wouldn't be enjoying this wild discourse over the GTD. Maybe it's time to grow up?

Way too much insecurity here.

First, stop watching old brie Larsen meltdowns.

Then read on for a course correction intervention.

Of course tje car is limited production. Literally everyone knows. Ford isn’t going to make many of these snd even if they wanted to, not many would sell at revuelto pricing.

1,2, and 3:

The boss 302 handled the m3. And?
The gtd got spanked by the gt3rs.

The zr1 destroys the plaid on a track. The Gtd gets destroyed by the zr1 and gt3rs.

Apparently YOU don’t get what makes the Gtd a Gtd. It was born to beat the gt3rs. That was its goal. It failed. That’s it. The zr1 meanwhile comes along and sets American track records left and right. And will likely beat tje gt3rs on the ring. Tesla plaid won’t do that. So… that was weird to being up.

4. Ok Brie Larsen.

5. Succeeded? It beat the gt3rs? Wrong. But hey, I’m not going to keep repeating the same basic fact. If you want to live in a make believe world and it helps you find peace in your life, ok. Enjoy.

6. Um… thanks for writing Ford about the Probe…I guess?

7. Ok. Stick with your failing team. I’ve got goals to hit.

8. Ford didn’t build the car. Multimatic did. And they stated it clear as day, pretty much guaranteeing the horsepower advantage assured it would best tje Porsche.

9. LOL

10. I said thst car looked like the Mustang 2. It does. Looks exactly like it. Of course I know the poor world had to endure the horrendous mustang 2 as ford figured out how to navigate an emissions sensitive world. My first car was a mustang 2 bought from an older friend. so it’s not a knock. They just weren’t great cars.

And that’s the way it is.

 

[MaddNomad]

Does the $300k+ GTD get the same Predator engine as the GT500? Maybe a slight bump in boost or blower size?

Same gen 2 design? no direct injection?

It’s the prrrdator engine.

I think the supercharger would be in the way of DI. So it’s SPI.

Another reason turbos would be great.

I wonder how much or not heat soak is an issue for the Gtd.

The Carnivore they call it… even though it’s a Predator revised with more torque for the Raptor R. Lmao

 

[MaddNomad]

"Turns out it’s heavy."

yet has better power to weight than the 911 GT3RS

"Turns out it’s just a regular mustang with upgrades."

upgrades that require tearing the car down to is chassis and making permanent modifications

"Turns out it’s nowhere close to the gt3rs is was created to beat."

nowhere close despite being the fastest American car around the track, getting the sub 7 minute theyve been targeting and within 9 seconds of the GT3RS thats developed on the same track for a few decades. I am interested to see what they can post when they go back this year.

All I care about is they actually made a Mustang to compete against juggernauts.

Yeah the marketing came up a little short of the hype they were pushing, but maxing out a S550/650 chassis to take on the best is cool.

 

[9secondko]

All I care about is they actually made a Mustang to compete against juggernauts.

Yeah the marketing came up a little short of the hype they were pushing, but maxing out a S550/650 chassis to take on the best is cool.

No doubt. I just wish they wouldn’t have made stuff up like “it’s a race car that we got certified street legal” nonsense at the door. It isn’t the race car with streets or parts. It’s the 650 with performance upgrades.

Being an s650 with all the pros and cons attached, really only have three gripes:

1. Misleading hype from ford and multimatic.
2. Price.
3. If you’re going after the big dogs, at big dog prices, at least win a few. There were three on the radar. Unfortunately it didn’t beat any of them. I’m hoping against hope that the Gtd can somehow match the gt3rs in better weather. But I’m also not holding my breath.

It really shoukd be the gt500 with a gt500 price.

If you figure the massive leap the 2020 gt500 was, the Gtd is about right for this gen gt500.

Unfortunately the s650 generation is just not a buyers market. It’s a sellers market.

 

[RebelMan]

Way too much insecurity here.

First, stop watching old brie Larsen meltdowns.

Then read on for a course correction intervention.

Of course tje car is limited production. Literally everyone knows. Ford isn’t going to make many of these snd even if they wanted to, not many would sell at revuelto pricing.

1,2, and 3:

The boss 302 handled the m3. And?
The gtd got spanked by the gt3rs.

The zr1 destroys the plaid on a track. The Gtd gets destroyed by the zr1 and gt3rs.

Apparently YOU don’t get what makes the Gtd a Gtd. It was born to beat the gt3rs. That was its goal. It failed. That’s it. The zr1 meanwhile comes along and sets American track records left and right. And will likely beat tje gt3rs on the ring. Tesla plaid won’t do that. So… that was weird to being up.

4. Ok Brie Larsen.

5. Succeeded? It beat the gt3rs? Wrong. But hey, I’m not going to keep repeating the same basic fact. If you want to live in a make believe world and it helps you find peace in your life, ok. Enjoy.

6. Um… thanks for writing Ford about the Probe…I guess?

7. Ok. Stick with your failing team. I’ve got goals to hit.

8. Ford didn’t build the car. Multimatic did. And they stated it clear as day, pretty much guaranteeing the horsepower advantage assured it would best tje Porsche.

9. LOL

10. I said thst car looked like the Mustang 2. It does. Looks exactly like it. Of course I know the poor world had to endure the horrendous mustang 2 as ford figured out how to navigate an emissions sensitive world. My first car was a mustang 2 bought from an older friend. so it’s not a knock. They just weren’t great cars.

And that’s the way it is.

You are sooo sensitive.

I had to point out the obvious to you about the GTD being limited because that has consequences which you completely overlooked. You really should proofread your remarks.

Dude you really need to stop spreading the FAKE NEWS. The ZR1 does 0-60 in 2.3, the Plaid 1.99. The ZR1 does the quarter in 9.6 the Plaid 9.23. The ONLY thing the ZR1 does better than the Plaid is in top speed. But then again, who's buying a ZR1 just to run it on the tarmac!

You can't afford the GTD and therefore you wine about it like a liberal loon. The GTD is JUST getting started while the GT3 has had years to be perfected. Its primary goal was sub 7 on the Nürburgring... check. The first for a domestic brand which is HUGE. Its secondary goal is the GT3 which it is well on its way of doing. It hasn't failed anything, but you have failed to see that.

The only goal you have hit is that of a pseudo sophisticate.

Last I checked the GTD was being marketed as a Ford product, not Multimatic and unlike you they have not given up on its vision. Time to go peddle your ZR1 elsewhere.

The Mustang II was a great car and one of the best selling generations in Mustang history. Unfortunately, performance was crippled by the politically influenced economy of the time. And contrary to popular belief it was not purely built on the Pinto platform. It evolved to be something much more than that. But I digress.

 

[Q6543]

When I was debating ordering my 24 GT…
Tesla plaid was definitely in my cross shopping list, and the Supra, ZL1 etc…

 

[Zig]

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[robvas]

The Mustang II was a great car

 

[agreywolfe]

Sure it has horsepower. It’s also heavy. As in no ratio. Just plain heavy. Imagine what that power would do if the thing was light. Your tire bill would be a heck of a lot better too.

Power to weight ratio doesn’t make it turn better.

I don’t care if they tore it down or not. I’d hope so since it has its own body kit. Bottom line is it’s a regular s650 with upgrades. Not a race car legalized for the street.

Gt3rs was the goal. The sub 7 talk came after they didn’t hit it.

9 seconds is an eternity.

see, you know whats funny about that, i took a look at the original Ford press release for the GTD. you know whats on there? a sub 7 minute nurb lap. you know whats not? the GT3RS

web archive link to avoid potential edits they may have done later on:
https://web.archive.org/web/2023081...n/news/2023/08/17/First-Ever-Mustang-GTD.html

 

[MaddNomad]

No doubt. I just wish they wouldn’t have made stuff up like “it’s a race car that we got certified street legal” nonsense at the door. It isn’t the race car with streets or parts. It’s the 650 with performance upgrades.

Being an s650 with all the pros and cons attached, really only have three gripes:

1. Misleading hype from ford and multimatic.
2. Price.
3. If you’re going after the big dogs, at big dog prices, at least win a few. There were three on the radar. Unfortunately it didn’t beat any of them. I’m hoping against hope that the Gtd can somehow match the gt3rs in better weather. But I’m also not holding my breath.

It really shoukd be the gt500 with a gt500 price.

If you figure the massive leap the 2020 gt500 was, the Gtd is about right for this gen gt500.

Unfortunately the s650 generation is just not a buyers market. It’s a sellers market.

Yeah I get where you’re coming from.

Honestly the next variant of the Mustang will be without the enhanced body, transaxle, and suspension.

see, you know whats funny about that, i took a look at the original Ford press release for the GTD. you know whats on there? a sub 7 minute nurb lap. you know whats not? the GT3RS

web archive link to avoid potential edits they may have done later on:
https://web.archive.org/web/2023081...n/news/2023/08/17/First-Ever-Mustang-GTD.html

Jim Farley himself made the claims about the GT3RS.

On the motortrend podcast around 9:10-10:00:


Smokingtire podcast at 21:55:


In Ford’s marketing video he wants to take on Europe punch for punch and make them “sweat”:


Granted, the engineers in the promotional video said they were just going to push the Mustang itself and maximize everything to be competitive.

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