H-Pipe / X-Pipe EU ?

[coult]

Yes, the noise. It has become an issue in cities all over western Europe in the last few years. Young men posing with often rented cars creating a horrendous level of noise. And accidents due to street racing. Special police units were founded and some cities have implemented speedtraps that also detect noise. Noise traps if you want to put it like that.
In Germany police will pull you over, make standardized a noise meassurement and will confiscate your car on the spot if it is louder than stated in the registration papers. Even if its stock. At the police garage the car then will be inspected by an expert and if it turns out to be ok you get it back in a few days, if not you have to pay for everything, put it back to stock and pay a hefty fine. Also you usally get a driving ban for one to three months.

The US is a car drivers paradise.

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[decidave8]

Holy shit man that’s wild!

 

[Nightmonkey]

The choice isn't as obvious as with the S550. I just drove 400 km with the flaps open, without feeling the need to make more noise.

Do a longer road trip with it, you will not want a muffler delete.
Maybe at some point on the motorway you might even switch to quiet mode.
At least the S550 Bullitt is perfect as it comes from factory.
And everyone you get in touch with it, appreciates it.
Not sure if it will be the same, if it is annoyingly loud.

If you want to change the sound, buy from Borla or Asch/Eisenmann with ECE.

Why is it illegal it has nothing to do with emissions? is it just the noise?

Noise is an emission.

The US is a car drivers paradise.

I'm not sure about that.
Uninsured drivers, driving licenses from a cereal box (there are people driving that you wouldn't even let on a bike here), condition of the roads, general speed limit...

 

[coult]

The Borla S-Type isn't available yet with an ECE permit. As far as I know and for sure ironically, the only legal exhaust system for the S650 so far is the obnoxious Grail Extreme. And since I live in Switzerland I'll have to wait even longer because on top of the ECE a Swiss permit (CH-Eignungserklärung) is needed to be legal.
So for all of us who want to enhance the sound now or at least soon, a H/X-Pipe is worth a cosideration. Especially as it comes at a cost fraction of a cat-back system.

 

[Nightmonkey]

I'm thinking more of the Borla Touring.
With the S-Type, I'm not sure whether it even has ECE for the S550 facelift.

The problem with the H-pipe is that you quickly get a drone in certain rpm ranges, which is in the nature of things.
In a complete system, everything is tuned in, so that there should be no annoying resonances = droning.

Regarding Grail, it is annoying loud in most modes and no performance diagrams can be found for it. In the German forum it is assumed that their 3" (?) system costs power, similar to the 3,5"-Hurricane. And power is not necessarily what you have in abundance with the S650 EU.

 

[coult]

Does the Touring implement the OEM valve system with all four modes? Does it fit on a S650 and will it have an ECE permit?

 

[Nightmonkey]

I can only speak for the S550, there the ECE cat back is a plug&play solution which uses the oem modes and the oem actuators.
As of June 2024, Borla had not yet completed the ECE exhaust for the S650.
https://mustang7g.de/viewtopic.php?t=162

 

[coult]

The Borla Touring does not fit on an active exhaust S650 (page 1, post #6):

Question about Exhaust! | Mustang7G - 2024+ S650 Mustang Forum (Dark Horse, GT, EcoBoost, GT500, GT350, Mach 1)

If you have an active car their 18-23 kit will most likely not work. They changed the orientation of the active valve motors on the 2024's which is why you see all of the offerings from the different exhaust manufacturers list specific new part numbers for the 2024.

Feel free to reach out if there's anything we can help you with. We're a direct Borla distributor and will have their systems available once they release them. We also have plenty of other active and non active catbacks, axlebacks and resonator deletes all listed on our site for the 2024's.
www.lethalperformance.com

I asked Borla Europe about the completion of the ECE certification for the S-type.

 

[Nightmonkey]

The Borla Touring does not fit on an active exhaust S650 (page 1, post #6):

As far as I know, the Borla Touring is the only available with ECE for active exhaust.
See here for S550 2018-2023: https://www.borla.com/products/ford-mustang-gt-cat-back-exhaust-system-1014045
At the moment they don't offer Touring for 2024+ GT.

But I expect the exhaust to be almost the same for the S550 and S650, except the mount for the actuator of the valves and the postion of the axle back mufflers seems a little different.
e.g.:
140742: https://www.borla.com/products/ford-mustang-gt-cat-back-exhaust-system-140742
140962: https://www.borla.com/products/ford-mustang-gt-cat-back-exhaust-system-140962

So later on, the Touring for 2024+ will be the one with ECE.

If you look into detail, Touring is with pre-silencer, S-Type is with X-Pipe and small pre-silencers in the back and Atak is just X-Pipe without pre-silencer.
I expect that neither S-Type nor Atak will be able to achieve ECE.

I asked Borla Europe about the completion of the ECE certification for the S-type.

Axel Schirmer from Borla Europe / SPORTWAGENWERK will help you out.

 

[coult]

Borla's reply was superfast and only took a couple of hours:

Hello Mark,
Thank you for your inquiry and interest in Borla. The S-type as it is can't get a type approval as it is way louder than the EU dB limits. We are working on an ECE-approved system that is expected most likely in Q2 2025.

Best regards,
Borla Performance Industries, Inc.
Liviu Popescu
European Marketing Coordinator/Helpdesk Europe


@Nightmonkey: This is exactly what you said.

 

[MRI204]

Non appena avrò il mio tra qualche mese, installerò il vecchio x-pipe che aveva sul MY2020 Bullitt, dato che è compatibile... suonava davvero bene!
Poi l'anno prossimo ho intenzione di installare i collettori Kooks ei cat-back AWE per il piacere dei miei vicini molto solidali...

 

[coult]

I went skiing. One of the seats in the rear was folded down. This felt almost as much of an upgrade like the H-pipe. At least it is way louder inside.

 

[VLG]

I've just found a video of an eu dark horse with this Grail exhaust, it sounds like a dream to me, exactly the tone I want.


And that's the link to the exhaust
https://grailautomotive.de/Grail-Mustang-Gen-6-VFL-FL-50-4-pipe-H-Pipe-with-silencers_193

It says it's legal, but I can't quite understand how since the stock mufflers are gone and it's loud af.

Do you guys know anything about this system?


Edit:
By doing a quick research it seems that some of you already mentioned Grail but didn't quite like it due to being too loud without actually sounding nice, do you think it's the same for the s650 version? It honestly sounds very good to me from that video.
It also seems that it has ECE approval, does that mean I can be 100% safe in case of inspections?

 

[coult]

They have a S650 version out already and got the ECE approval by using a trick. The exhaust volume is officially deteminded in a standard bypass situation, let's say between 40 and 60 kph (those are probably not the actual numbers) at a certain position of the accelerator and at a certain engine-rpm. In this range the valves are closed. They're using an extra control unit for that.
It's ridiculously loud and, at least in Germany, condisered to be a bit obnoxious. Also when checked by the poilce it might not be in the legal range. They meassure the exhaust volume with a standing car. There's reports of confiscated cars even though the paperwork is perfeclty fine.
No idea how strict the police is about noise levels in Spain though. But note: You would be insanely loud and have to be prepared for embarrasment.

 

[Saburak]

A video of a Dark (Switzerland) with H-Pipe.

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