"Mach 4" 4-Door Mustang + Off-Road Baja Mustang models previewed at Ford dealers meeting!

[9secondko]

There was a lot of rumors back in 2020ish about ford using the 3.0 in some test mules, a Mustang ST that’s 45k that’s in between the Ecoboost and GT would do really well. The 4 door Mustang had also been rumored for years and i mean years, it’s rumored to be on the explorers CD6 platform. I hate the idea of it but if they pull a Ferrari FF or something of that akin, well it could be cool we will see

interesting. I’ve followed Mustang rumors for a long time and don’t remember the 3.0. I do remember that Ford actually had a 6 as the base and ecoboost as the option between base and GT. I think that gets muddy though. Those who want the eco 6 would be few compared to the v8 and its added complexity for ford with little reward. Not to mention the customer sat issues when the v8 guys add FI and the 6 guys can’t keep up even with mods. Not to mention paying all that extra money just to sound like… that.

If there were rumors of this, then there must have been good reason why it didn’t happen. I can think of many.

same with the 4 door. Should never be a mustang.

if ford wants to experiment with a NEW performance sedan, awesome. I might be interest actually. But don’t call it mustang. Because it isn’t one. And then that interest dries up in a hurry.

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[BoostRabbitGT]

if ford wants to experiment with a NEW performance sedan, awesome. I might be interest actually. But don’t call it mustang. Because it isn’t one. And then that interest dries up in a hurry.

Name aside, I think if Ford sold a naturally aspirated V8 sports sedan at $50K for the top trim it would sell well without cannibalizing sales from the GT/Premium.

 

[9secondko]

Name aside, I think if Ford sold a naturally aspirated V8 sports sedan at $50K for the top trim it would sell well without cannibalizing sales from the GT/Premium.

The name is the whole point of the debate, so it's not really an "aside."

But I do agree that it would be great to see Ford offer a 4 door performance oriented sedan for those who don't want an SUv, but might feel cramped by a sports car. The whole "no more sedans" was a mistake. Three houses on my street alone have sold their SUVs and replaced with Camrys, Accords, and some nasty looking Chevy EV. The market continues to ebb and flow with trends. Putting all your eggs in one basket has been a mistake since the beginning of time.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

I test drove a used Charger Scat Pack today. Surprisingly I was very impressed with its finesse at city speeds considering how big it is. It almost made me rethink considering either a new one or an R/T trim. The only "weakness" I could find is that it was rather touchy on throttle, even in Street Mode. (I now wonder if I should've kept "Eco" mode on prior to the test drive, but I think that would've affected how I evaluated the steering weight/perception of accuracy.)

All of that above to say, if the Mach-4 ends up size-wise between the CT5 and the outgoing Charger, turns more nimbly than both of them, and feels faster to boot, Ford will have a real winner on their hands regardless of what's under the hood. (Again, not sure if pricing it above or below the Mustang coupe/convertible would make it more desirable.)

 

[9secondko]

Only If they call it’s own thing.
Otherwise it will have the same fate as Mach e - starts strong, then…dies.

but if they give it it’s own identity, it can build and gain momentum.

no one wants to drive the ‘pretend’ Mustang. But everyone loves to drive a nice-looking fast car.

so make a nice looking fast car and call it something people can feel good about.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

Sorry for bumping this again, but with another thread talking about a future 4-door performance sedan from Ford, I figured it'd be best to catalog my recent thoughts in the proper thread.

We've discussed the likely engine options for the Mach-4 before. I think if this car gets EcoBoost/Hybrid/PowerBoost engines, they need to make sure the 10A and turbos work smoothly together. That for me means next to zero lurching forward at low speeds and minimal lag at all speeds---those are my only gripes with my EcoBoost that I'd like to see resolved in future Mustangs or sedans that may or may not have Mustang branding associated with them.

I apologize in advance if I've said what I've said here before and am just broken record-ing it at this point.

 

[erocker]

Falcon is a great name. Just sayin'.

 

[MaddNomad]

Sorry for bumping this again, but with another thread talking about a future 4-door performance sedan from Ford, I figured it'd be best to catalog my recent thoughts in the proper thread.

We've discussed the likely engine options for the Mach-4 before. I think if this car gets EcoBoost/Hybrid/PowerBoost engines, they need to make sure the 10A and turbos work smoothly together. That for me means next to zero lurching forward at low speeds and minimal lag at all speeds---those are my only gripes with my EcoBoost that I'd like to see resolved in future Mustangs or sedans that may or may not have Mustang branding associated with them.

I apologize in advance if I've said what I've said here before and am just broken record-ing it at this point.

Do you plan on keeping your ecoboost or are you moving to a V8? Sorry if you’ve stated it already

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

Do you plan on keeping your ecoboost or are you moving to a V8? Sorry if you’ve stated it already

For now I'll be keeping my EcoBoost. I'm not in a rush to get into something new or different right away as often as I talk about it.

 

[Radiant]

We've discussed the likely engine options for the Mach-4 before. I think if this car gets EcoBoost/Hybrid/PowerBoost engines, they need to make sure the 10A and turbos work smoothly together. That for me means next to zero lurching forward at low speeds and minimal lag at all speeds---those are my only gripes with my EcoBoost that I'd like to see resolved in future Mustangs or sedans that may or may not have Mustang branding associated with them.

If we're going down the rabbit hole, the biggest problem with the stock Ecoboost is simply gearing. The HPP (S550) and PP/MR (S650) change the car radically.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

If we're going down the rabbit hole, the biggest problem with the stock Ecoboost is simply gearing. The HPP (S550) and PP/MR (S650) change the car radically.

Interesting. Personally I found the Performance Pack/Magneride too stiff/firm for my liking as far as ride quality goes, somehow I prefer the stock damping. However, I've read that for strictly daily driving there isn't much difference between the 3.15 and 3.55 gearing. Is the Torsen different enough from the non-PP 3.55 to reconsider looking at?

 

[Radiant]

Interesting. Personally I found the Performance Pack/Magneride too stiff/firm for my liking as far as ride quality goes, somehow I prefer the stock damping. However, I've read that for strictly daily driving there isn't much difference between the 3.15 and 3.55 gearing. Is the Torsen different enough from the non-PP 3.55 to reconsider looking at?

For "daily commuting" the 3.15 gives you better MPG because it keeps the car out of boost, but that's also what gives you the lag.

In sport mode with the 3.55, you don't have the lag as it's generally at 2500+ rpm. For example, 55 mph in 7th gear (1.00) is ~2100 rpm, so put your foot down and you've got torque immediately.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

For "daily commuting" the 3.15 gives you better MPG because it keeps the car out of boost, but that's also what gives you the lag.

In sport mode with the 3.55, you don't have the lag as it's generally at 2500+ rpm. For example, 55 mph in 7th gear (1.00) is ~2100 rpm, so put your foot down and you've got torque immediately.

Good to know. I'm considering a GT in a year or two. That, an AWD RC350, or a C300 4MATIC.

 

[Zig]

However, I've read that for strictly daily driving there isn't much difference between the 3.15 and 3.55 gearing. Is the Torsen different enough from the non-PP 3.55 to reconsider looking at?

3.73. Tbh the daily is when it’s most apparent. Does normal daily spend the bulk of the time in the 0-60 range?

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

3.73. Tbh the daily is when it’s most apparent. Does normal daily spend the bulk of the time in the 0-60 range?

Yup, and I forgot to mention I'd be working with an automatic day-to-day.

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