Shelby American shows off GT350 and GT350R at Barret Jackon - well kind of
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^ 100%. Get rid of the door script and put it in my garage, thanks. 
That wingless rear 3/4 view is the money shot, man!
Actually, since we're at it, though...GIVE ME THE OPTION FOR WIMBLEDON WHITE. Like JEEZ...
That wingless rear 3/4 view is the money shot, man!Actually, since we're at it, though...GIVE ME THE OPTION FOR WIMBLEDON WHITE. Like JEEZ...
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This rear looks great.
So much better looking without the wing! OK ....remove the stickers off the bottom and lower the price....and yeah...thats hot!
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While not everyone's cup of tea... Im looking at you @Q6543 : P
What did they honestly expect when they took a car known for an engine that the majority of people love and introduce the same car sans that engine..
Its like trying to remake a Robin Williams movie- you can do pretty good....but your not replacing Robin Williams.....it was just too soon to use the GT350 name again.....
They should have started with a Dark Horse and called it the Shelby Dark Horse GT or something like that....
Its just common sense.....
What did they honestly expect when they took a car known for an engine that the majority of people love and introduce the same car sans that engine..
Its like trying to remake a Robin Williams movie- you can do pretty good....but your not replacing Robin Williams.....it was just too soon to use the GT350 name again.....
They should have started with a Dark Horse and called it the Shelby Dark Horse GT or something like that....
Its just common sense.....
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Did they expect people to be excited about what they've done ?
Enthusiasts aren't stupid, what they're offering in this GT350 doesn't pass the smell test. They needed to offer something that couldn't be duplicated with parts off of any parts website (available to anyone) for people to be excited about this new "GT350".
Enthusiasts aren't stupid, what they're offering in this GT350 doesn't pass the smell test. They needed to offer something that couldn't be duplicated with parts off of any parts website (available to anyone) for people to be excited about this new "GT350".
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If other unrelated but similar situations I have observed are anything to model this after, this is only going to hurt Shelby even further - assuming this is a release from them.Shelby firing back rounds!!
They effectively re-released the Super Snake with a different skin, slightly less horsepower, under a name that had its status massively elevated when it became a Ford production car in 2016, which failed to meet the expectation. What were they honestly expecting, and why are they now asking people to filter their thoughts and opinions?
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Yeah should’ve just left it how it was, maybe throw a 60th anniversary decal or badge on a Shelby GT to give a little homage to the first Shelby Mustangs.
What’s crazy is the Super Snake isn’t really a Super Snake either, being a modified GT for 2 generations. Weren’t those originally modified GT500s?
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Shelby's clapback took me by surprise at first. But the more I look at it, the more it makes sense. This isn't just some small thing to them. It's their bread and butter. It's how their people (OUR people?) earn a living. And this kind of work is getting more difficutl as automakers lock things down. Of course, people have a right to express their views and many of us here have done exactly that - even a majority seem to be less than entusiastic. However, the issue that Shelby addressed was that some critics didn't just critique. They went off he rails, getting slanderous, vulgar, and disrespectful on shelby accounts. it was shameful. At some point, they had to say soemthing. People were just being their worst selves and turnign the place into a cesspool. It was ridiculous. In that way, I applaid Shelby for cleaning it up.
Getting to the car itself, it's not bad at all. It looks rad, has all the right parts, even if we can buy them ourselves, comes with a warranty, likely performs like a dream, and carries the Shelby legacy in it's blood. that works for me.
At the same time, it exists next to the SuperSnake which is simply the better car all around. It seems redundant. I suppose the SS was just a little out of reach for some and that's where the GT350 comes in.
Personally, I don't have an issue with the GT350 being what it is, though I certainly have criticized it not having more custom engineering effort. The 350 is the car that a lot of customers can buy. Shelby had to make this car to stay healthy.
The problem isn't so much the 350 being a collection of available performance parts. The 2011 (yes, there is such a thing) GT350 was just a supercharged 5.0 with aftermarket parts. so this isn't new. The problem is that we have been wanting some actual differentiators with varous Mustangs and we aren't getting that. The Ford dealers sell an affordable supercharged GT that makes great power, Then we get a crazy expensive GTD and it barely makes more. Then we have all the tuners out doing the same thing. Shelby, rightly regarded as the best of them, comes out and gets blasted. In reality it's not fair to them. It's a good effort. It's just that it's an evolution, not a revolution. One thing that is great about the GTD is the testing and vetting and care into parts fitment. Shelby has done the research and testing of finding out which parts out there actually do the job. And they go into the car. Shelby also has taken the care to make sure all of the modifications are done right. No late-night garage bubble gum and duct tape from you or your local tuner.
The DH costing what it does, I would buy this over the Dark Horse any day of the week and have the far superior car - and nameplate. But also for that money, I may just save a bit more and get the ZR1.
I think we live in a time when we are so used to careless internet slams that we forget there are actual people behind usernames. we just saw Shelby visibly react to getting stung. We saw them hurt. and that sucks. I hope Shelby is around for another hundred years plus, putting out hot rods for us to enjoy. Thre will be times we have criticism and no doubt Shelby takes that to heart.
I remember really laying into Chelby online a few years back about how outdated their designs were. And they were. Seriously. it was kinda sad. But then this new SuperSnake came out and is one of the best looking Mustangs ever. very modern. it was like a totally different design team came in and modernized everything. Imagine my surprise when it was revealed it's the same designer who has been with the company forever now. He just learned some new tricks. And boy did he. Wow. so criticism is Ok. Sometimes it's taken to heart and good things result. But other times it is just mean-spirited. and that is sad to see.
The GT350 is a great car. It is what it is - an aftermarket Mustang hot rodded to the hills and back. The criticism is that it's an off the self parts car. And that's true. But it's the right parts and it creates the right car. it's basically the Ford GT500 plus. i think if they would have included a DCT and Tremec, then a lot of the criticism would die down, but the car would also likely be out of the prce bracket they wanted to keep it in as the more affordable Super Snake. But Mustang fans are a picky crowd. didn't use to be that way. But Ford has kind of riled us up with old platforms, minimal effort, and a newfound fascination with everything BUT the actual Mustang, even trying to push a more expensive ecoboost performace pack as an "RTR" (who the heck wants that?) - and this pent up frustration was taken out on Shelby.
Hopefully, we can get past this and get back to appreciating the living legends around us.
Getting to the car itself, it's not bad at all. It looks rad, has all the right parts, even if we can buy them ourselves, comes with a warranty, likely performs like a dream, and carries the Shelby legacy in it's blood. that works for me.
At the same time, it exists next to the SuperSnake which is simply the better car all around. It seems redundant. I suppose the SS was just a little out of reach for some and that's where the GT350 comes in.
Personally, I don't have an issue with the GT350 being what it is, though I certainly have criticized it not having more custom engineering effort. The 350 is the car that a lot of customers can buy. Shelby had to make this car to stay healthy.
The problem isn't so much the 350 being a collection of available performance parts. The 2011 (yes, there is such a thing) GT350 was just a supercharged 5.0 with aftermarket parts. so this isn't new. The problem is that we have been wanting some actual differentiators with varous Mustangs and we aren't getting that. The Ford dealers sell an affordable supercharged GT that makes great power, Then we get a crazy expensive GTD and it barely makes more. Then we have all the tuners out doing the same thing. Shelby, rightly regarded as the best of them, comes out and gets blasted. In reality it's not fair to them. It's a good effort. It's just that it's an evolution, not a revolution. One thing that is great about the GTD is the testing and vetting and care into parts fitment. Shelby has done the research and testing of finding out which parts out there actually do the job. And they go into the car. Shelby also has taken the care to make sure all of the modifications are done right. No late-night garage bubble gum and duct tape from you or your local tuner.
The DH costing what it does, I would buy this over the Dark Horse any day of the week and have the far superior car - and nameplate. But also for that money, I may just save a bit more and get the ZR1.
I think we live in a time when we are so used to careless internet slams that we forget there are actual people behind usernames. we just saw Shelby visibly react to getting stung. We saw them hurt. and that sucks. I hope Shelby is around for another hundred years plus, putting out hot rods for us to enjoy. Thre will be times we have criticism and no doubt Shelby takes that to heart.
I remember really laying into Chelby online a few years back about how outdated their designs were. And they were. Seriously. it was kinda sad. But then this new SuperSnake came out and is one of the best looking Mustangs ever. very modern. it was like a totally different design team came in and modernized everything. Imagine my surprise when it was revealed it's the same designer who has been with the company forever now. He just learned some new tricks. And boy did he. Wow. so criticism is Ok. Sometimes it's taken to heart and good things result. But other times it is just mean-spirited. and that is sad to see.
The GT350 is a great car. It is what it is - an aftermarket Mustang hot rodded to the hills and back. The criticism is that it's an off the self parts car. And that's true. But it's the right parts and it creates the right car. it's basically the Ford GT500 plus. i think if they would have included a DCT and Tremec, then a lot of the criticism would die down, but the car would also likely be out of the prce bracket they wanted to keep it in as the more affordable Super Snake. But Mustang fans are a picky crowd. didn't use to be that way. But Ford has kind of riled us up with old platforms, minimal effort, and a newfound fascination with everything BUT the actual Mustang, even trying to push a more expensive ecoboost performace pack as an "RTR" (who the heck wants that?) - and this pent up frustration was taken out on Shelby.
Hopefully, we can get past this and get back to appreciating the living legends around us.
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There are a few things with that post from Tracey that rub me the wrong way.
The obvious being disrespectful and hateful speech. Now, truthfully, I didn't wander over to their official page to read the comments for myself, but I'm no stranger to the internet. Mike Tyson summed it up best when he said, "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it". I wouldn't be surprised at what kind of comments I'd expect to see over there...
The other point that is a real head-scratcher, is the "education" directed at us, the potential consumers. Anytime a business has to go out of their way to try and PROVE why their product is worth what they're asking...well, it means they've already failed. This is further backed up by an article on Motortrend: Shelby American Brings Back the Mustang GT350 in 810-HP Guise
The author makes it painfully obvious how much of a rip-off this car is. I still stand by my opinion, that it is a gorgeous looking car (without the picnic table wing on the back). However, you can't fool me by saying you "tenaciously researched" all available drivetrain options. If that's the case, why has Shelby NEVER had a bespoke transmission and rear gear combo in any of their Mustangs of recent years? Magnum-XL w/ custom gear set + 4.30 rear gear. Make 5th gear 1:1 and 6th gear a 0.85 (ish) and have this car be redline-limited to around 285kph in 6th. The torque multiplication in the gears would be an absolute RIOT and because of the tight spacing, the Coyote, FOR ONCE IN IT'S LIFE, would have a proper manual transmission geared SPECIFICALLY for it's characteristics. This isn't a pushrod...it's a DOHC that loves to rev. Is it any wonder why the 10A from 2018 onwards absolutely transformed the cars performance?
Beyond that, give the car a little bit of a diet...even 100lbs would be noticeable. Last but not least, a REAL performance-tuned suspension. Not some PR BS about skid pad numbers either. I'm talking about a no-nonsense suspension tune that has a square setup of wheels/tires (285's all four corners) to go with it. AKA, a car that is unforgiving at the limit and requires real-deal driver skill to handle on a track. This is supposed to be a GT350 isn't it? This isn't supposed to be an everyman's car catering to unskilled drivers. This car should make you work and sweat for every ounce of performance. Get rid of the vague steering feel, make the car rotate on AND off throttle and get rid of any and all front-end push from OEM. If all of these things were done (especially the gearing) the car wouldn't even need engine upgrades. Intake/exhaust combo (maybe with some sick side exit exhausts with electronic actuators (Boss 302 anyone?)) and you'd have an ultra-reliable, absolute ripper of a car.
Sigh.....sorry fella's. I kinda' got carried here, lmfao.
The obvious being disrespectful and hateful speech. Now, truthfully, I didn't wander over to their official page to read the comments for myself, but I'm no stranger to the internet. Mike Tyson summed it up best when he said, "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it". I wouldn't be surprised at what kind of comments I'd expect to see over there...
The other point that is a real head-scratcher, is the "education" directed at us, the potential consumers. Anytime a business has to go out of their way to try and PROVE why their product is worth what they're asking...well, it means they've already failed. This is further backed up by an article on Motortrend: Shelby American Brings Back the Mustang GT350 in 810-HP Guise
The author makes it painfully obvious how much of a rip-off this car is. I still stand by my opinion, that it is a gorgeous looking car (without the picnic table wing on the back). However, you can't fool me by saying you "tenaciously researched" all available drivetrain options. If that's the case, why has Shelby NEVER had a bespoke transmission and rear gear combo in any of their Mustangs of recent years? Magnum-XL w/ custom gear set + 4.30 rear gear. Make 5th gear 1:1 and 6th gear a 0.85 (ish) and have this car be redline-limited to around 285kph in 6th. The torque multiplication in the gears would be an absolute RIOT and because of the tight spacing, the Coyote, FOR ONCE IN IT'S LIFE, would have a proper manual transmission geared SPECIFICALLY for it's characteristics. This isn't a pushrod...it's a DOHC that loves to rev. Is it any wonder why the 10A from 2018 onwards absolutely transformed the cars performance?
Beyond that, give the car a little bit of a diet...even 100lbs would be noticeable. Last but not least, a REAL performance-tuned suspension. Not some PR BS about skid pad numbers either. I'm talking about a no-nonsense suspension tune that has a square setup of wheels/tires (285's all four corners) to go with it. AKA, a car that is unforgiving at the limit and requires real-deal driver skill to handle on a track. This is supposed to be a GT350 isn't it? This isn't supposed to be an everyman's car catering to unskilled drivers. This car should make you work and sweat for every ounce of performance. Get rid of the vague steering feel, make the car rotate on AND off throttle and get rid of any and all front-end push from OEM. If all of these things were done (especially the gearing) the car wouldn't even need engine upgrades. Intake/exhaust combo (maybe with some sick side exit exhausts with electronic actuators (Boss 302 anyone?)) and you'd have an ultra-reliable, absolute ripper of a car.
Sigh.....sorry fella's. I kinda' got carried here, lmfao.
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