Sold my Camaro SS 1LE for a 2024 Mustang GT

[MustangMitch69]

The windshield is cracked, we are approaching winter and as we get rain and then snow, there will be more debris on the road. I am considering just leaving it cracked until next spring. Windshield seems to be awfully fragile or I just got unlucky on that one rock....

I plan on swapping the suspension so I didn't want to waste the money on the magneride.

Any ideas for what suspension you want to swap for?

I have a 24 GT and love it, but i don't like that when you turn the steering wheel there's not an immediate response from the wheels. Makes it feel more like a "comfort" car than a sports car.

Also not a fan of how when you hit the gas the car kind of takes a bounce before accelerating.

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[Mr.Kodak_007]

Similar for me, had a ‘20 ZL1 and ‘17 SS 1LE and the Camaro is simply a better sports car. Cabin is dated and the view can be tough, but the tranny, suspension, looks were all highlights.

I don’t quite regret the Mustang, it is a fun car and I love the Coyote, but I sure do miss both those cars.

I thought the Camaro and Mustang share the same A10 speed transmission?

 

[asc709]

@MrKodak007 They do, but the tuning of the GM unit seems so much snappier. The way I would compare it is the Mustang unit seems more commuter and the GM unit seems more performance minded.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the units identical except for tuning?

The one thing that I thought was great at first was the pops on deceleration. The pops during up shifts. That novelty wore off after a while. Maybe those noises introduced a psychological factor that the shifts are snappier?

 

[Mr.Kodak_007]

@MrKodak007 They do, but the tuning of the GM unit seems so much snappier. The way I would compare it is the Mustang unit seems more commuter and the GM unit seems more performance minded.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the units identical except for tuning?

The one thing that I thought was great at first was the pops on deceleration. The pops during up shifts. That novelty wore off after a while. Maybe those noises introduced a psychological factor that the shifts are snappier?

You could very well be correct.

 

[Puddinpop]

I thought the Camaro and Mustang share the same A10 speed transmission?

Only the 10R80. Cosmo had a ZL1 which has the 10L90 which is a way better transmission.

 

[cosmo73]

I thought the Camaro and Mustang share the same A10 speed transmission?

I don’t believe they are the same.

 

[AlloyPony]

This summer my father traded his SS 1LE with around 5,000 miles on it for a 2007 GT500. He couldn't stand how hard it was to get in/out of the Camaro, the horrible visibility, how slow it was for the money, or the cost of upgrades. It just didn't feel like a muscle/pony car at all. Felt like you were in a submarine. It had no sound, no soul. The Camaro just isn't a car that feels raw. It's not a car you can love. And even my Gen 1 Coyote would run with it.

He loves the S197 Mustangs because "you have to drive these cars". I tend to agree. If I wanted to feel like I was sealed up in a soul-less submarine I would have bought a Tesla.

 

[snakeyes]

Good for you - I had a 22 Camaro ZL1 and SS 1LE got rid of them both -

 

[Zcarmenb28]

This summer my father traded his SS 1LE with around 5,000 miles on it for a 2007 GT500. He couldn't stand how hard it was to get in/out of the Camaro, the horrible visibility, how slow it was for the money, or the cost of upgrades. It just didn't feel like a muscle/pony car at all. Felt like you were in a submarine. It had no sound, no soul. The Camaro just isn't a car that feels raw. It's not a car you can love. And even my Gen 1 Coyote would run with it.

He loves the S197 Mustangs because "you have to drive these cars". I tend to agree. If I wanted to feel like I was sealed up in a soul-less submarine I would have bought a Tesla.

There must have been something wrong with his SS, or it was a 5th Gen, which aren’t nearly as quick. A 6th Gen SS easily runs with a Gen 3/4 Coyote, and is quicker than a 2007 GT500. Plus, they aren’t quiet. They are very composed though, so maybe that’s what he didn’t appreciate.

And don’t insult muscle cars by comparing a Camaro SS to a Tesla. They are not in the same stratosphere.

 

[Zcarmenb28]

@9secondko ..... well said - and - the Mustang convertible had about 30% more room in the trunk when compared the last year both were made. Just left a coffee shop about an hour ago. A guy hit the pedal when leaving. I assume it was a 2023 Camaro as it looked brand new and it was the convertible. Then we left with our stock 2024 GT Premium Mustang convertible and I gave her a bit of gas. I had to stop for a red light. A guy who was at the coffee shop pulled up beside us with his Dodge Hemi PU and said "That's what a pony car should sound like, that Camaro sounded like fire crackers going off in a tin can." That was a pretty good description as it sounded really strained and tinny. The Camaro engine while up-dated recently is not even in the same universe with the Gen 4 Coyote and every Camaro owner knows that.

This is a silly post, a Camaro SS does not sound like fire crackers. Y’all must have heard a 6 cylinder with aftermarket exhaust. And if you mean recently updated as in 2013 when the LT1 came out in the 2014 C7 Corvette, then I guess. But the Coyote has been updated 3 times since then and STILL isn’t much if any quicker than a Camaro SS with an engine that came out 11 years ago in the Corvette and then in a 2016 model SS, and hasn’t been updated since. Have you seen recent drag races? The SS is neck and neck with an S650 GT.

@Dragster.... some great points but respectfully if Ford charged for their Mustangs what GM charges for their Corvettes that would be a completely different story and until GM's recent up-grades to the Corvette engine it was old school and no where near as power efficient as the Gen 4 Coyote. Both cars have their place but it is not fair or accurate to compare them, IMO. BTW it's probably still on youtube somewhere but there was a video of a comparison of the 2014 Mustang and Camaro, done by a dealer who had both new models on his lot. The Camaro got the nod for handling the Mustang for room, design, sound (exhaust) and acceleration. I haven't looked in the cabin of a 2023 Camaro but IMO the 2014 Camaro was fugly, whereas IMO the 2014 Mustang was beautiful.

The LT in the Camaro and Corvette is physically smaller than a Coyote—so, which one is more power dense or efficient? I’d say the smaller engine. Coyote has DOHC so different style means you can’t directly compare displacement.

sure, that’s part of it but Ford did the Ferrari examination first - and solved the ability to do flat plane no on larger displace,ent engines. GM didn’t learn much from the tiny Ferrari engine. There’s more voodoo in the lt than Ferrari.

as to the second part, fully agreed. I e posted on this very forum how much better the Mustang could be if they really went for it with their much better selling Mustang like GM is with their niche c8.

So Ford shared all it learned with GM about the voodoo? Doubtful it shared anything. They benchmarked a Ferrari with the Z06 LT6, not a Ford.

 

[MAT1955]

@Zcarmenb28 ..... actually the guy who pulled up beside me said the Camaro exhaust sounded like fire crackers in a can. IMO the Camaro exhaust sounded like the death rattle of marbles in a tin can. Silly post maybe, it's an opinion you are entitled to. My opinion is the latest years of Camaros are ugly, old school and try so hard to sound like a Mustang that....take they sound like - your pick; a strangled goose, marbles in a tin can, fire crackers in a can. You did get one thing right you appear to own a Supra, now that is a decent vehicle.

 

[9secondko]

This is a silly post, a Camaro SS does not sound like fire crackers. Y’all must have heard a 6 cylinder with aftermarket exhaust. And if you mean recently updated as in 2013 when the LT1 came out in the 2014 C7 Corvette, then I guess. But the Coyote has been updated 3 times since then and STILL isn’t much if any quicker than a Camaro SS with an engine that came out 11 years ago in the Corvette and then in a 2016 model SS, and hasn’t been updated since. Have you seen recent drag races? The SS is neck and neck with an S650 GT.



The LT in the Camaro and Corvette is physically smaller than a Coyote—so, which one is more power dense or efficient? I’d say the smaller engine. Coyote has DOHC so different style means you can’t directly compare displacement.



So Ford shared all it learned with GM about the voodoo? Doubtful it shared anything. They benchmarked a Ferrari with the Z06 LT6, not a Ford.

it’s not that ford shared. It’s that GM reverse engineered Fords FPC solution for large displacement engines. You know better than that. It was thought anything of that size couldn’t be done with FPC. Ford figured it out. You bet your last biscuit GM studied that solution very well. And heck no they’d never admit that. Lol

GM didn’t learn a thing from Ferrari’s tiny engine. Benchmarking a complete car’s performance isn’t the same as mining development details from an engine. Again, you know the difference.

 

[AlloyPony]

There must have been something wrong with his SS, or it was a 5th Gen, which aren’t nearly as quick. A 6th Gen SS easily runs with a Gen 3/4 Coyote, and is quicker than a 2007 GT500. Plus, they aren’t quiet. They are very composed though, so maybe that’s what he didn’t appreciate.

And don’t insult muscle cars by comparing a Camaro SS to a Tesla. They are not in the same stratosphere.

It was a '22 or '23 model. Can't remember which. 10A. My car is a Gen 1 stick shift car with nothing but a Steeda power pack. Might be making 400 at the wheels if I'm lucky. And it's not just my car that would run fenders with that 1LE. I saw stock Scat Packs and several other things handle it. I rode in it a couple of times and it really just isn't fast. The 6.2 cars have never impressed me. Maybe that's why they never sold well and people just don't talk about them.

As far as his '07 GT500....he put a blower from a '13 on it and tuned it. He's got around $40k total invested now and makes 720ish at the wheels. 18,000 miles on the car. He loves it.

I would compare a Camaro SS to a Tesla as a perfect example. The first thing people always say about the Camaro is, “But they handle so good!”. So does a Tesla.

 

[SlamForce]

I went the opposite way. I’ve had 3 Mustangs, most recently a 2020 GT with perf pack. I ordered a 2024 Darkhorse in May, negotiated great price, and was very excited for it. Dealer and Ford did not communicate well and looks like it won’t be built this year. I decided to go a different direction and picked up a SS 1LE recently. Handles better than the Mustang, and this is subjective, but I think also looks great and sounds great. Enjoy your Stang, and wish me luck on the Darkside.

 

[asc709]

@SlamForce definitely some things about my 1LE that I miss. It was smaller, felt planted, had a sunroof, and the steering was excellent. I have no brand loyalty - went from a C7 to a S550 to a 1LE to a Whipple S650. The C7 was the best all around and each car had its shining moments. Enjoy that Camaro!

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