Taking our 2024 Mustang Dark Horse to the Dragstrip & Track:

[9secondko]

I had an 03 Cobra and an 04 Z06. The Z06 was quicker stock for stock.
03 Cobra ran 12.81 and put down 381 RWHP weight-?
04 Z06 ran 12.44 and put down 363 RWHP weight 3055

It’s sad the 2024 DH is quicker than cars 20+ years older. Sure A lot of things are better in every way EXCEPT 1/4mi performance.

As I said my 2024 LT1 will crush a 6M DH in a drag race and probably still beat an A10. With that said the A10 PP is the car to get. You get 95% DH for THOUSANDS less.

The z06 in 03-04 was a tick slower than the Cobra. So perhaps you simply didn’t know how to drive the Mustang. The stock shifter was horrible.

If you managed a 12.8 in the Terminator, that’s decent. It’s what some of the car magazines got. It was capable of better however.

you remember exactly how much your old cars weighed when they ran the times you claim? Interesting…

the z06 was known as a 13 second car. The hero runs we’re doing 12.9, 12.8 etc. the only place stating a 12.4 is the fastest laps website, which relies on user gps uploads without verification of actual stock condition at the time of the run.

if you ran that time, you are a true legend and your car is a factory freak.

the dark horse not being faster than it is is a real bummer. For the time, being a brand new sports car - and for the price - it’s not cheap, it should at the least outrun a 2016 SS, right? Or a 2024 non-zl1. But.. nope.

yet it’s a very nice car and as you said, better in every way. Except major performance gains

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[robvas]

The z06 in 03-04 was a tick slower than the Cobra. So perhaps you simply didn’t know how to drive the Mustang. The stock shifter was horrible.

If you managed a 12.8 in the Terminator, that’s decent. It’s what some of the car magazines got. It was capable of better however.

you remember exactly how much your old cars weighed when they ran the times you claim? Interesting…

the z06 was known as a 13 second car. The hero runs we’re doing 12.9, 12.8 etc. the only place stating a 12.4 is the fastest laps website, which relies on user gps uploads without verification of actual stock condition at the time of the run.

What!?

a hero run for a stock regular C5 Corvette was 12.9

one of the magazines went 11.9 @ 118 at Englishtown with the Z06. It was famous for that

many other owners on the forums replicated or came very very close to those times

no stock terminator ever did that

https://www.motortrend.com/features/0410htp-2004-z06-corvette-feature/

 

[Germansheperd]

What!?

one of the magazines went 11.9 @ 118 at Englishtown with the Z06. It was famous for that

many other owners on the forums replicated or came very very close to those times

no stock terminator ever did that

https://www.motortrend.com/features/0410htp-2004-z06-corvette-feature/

LOL that 9sec is a goon. I ran 12.4 on a hot summer night so Evan Smith or someone getting an 11.9 in neg DA at E-town is entirely possible.
I OWNED BOTH CARS and the Z06 was a tick quicker. If you rode in both you thought the Cobra was because of the low end TQ but the mid and upper HP pull with its huge weight advantage was too much.
The 20 RWHP my Cobra has doesn’t make up for 600lbs.

 

[robvas]

LOL that 9sec is a goon. I ran 12.4 on a hot summer night so Evan Smith or someone getting an 11.9 in neg DA at E-town is entirely possible.
I OWNED BOTH CARS and the Z06 was a tick quicker. If you rode in both you thought the Cobra was because of the low end TQ but the mid and upper HP pull with its huge weight advantage was too much.
The 20 RWHP my Cobra has doesn’t make up for 600lbs.

Well he's quoting fastestlaps.com

lol

 

[Germansheperd]

Well he's quoting fastestlaps.com

lol

Well theres where I went wrong.

 

[9secondko]

Lol

Dude...do you know how many bus lengths I would put on the S660's and S550's I would come across last year when I had my Whipples Cobra? And that was only a 2.3 on pump...

You're talking about 7-8 second 60-130 to 11-13 seconds...

LOL. some folks just don’t know. If you haven’t owned one, you have no idea. The code name was fitting. Not just stock, but modified as well.

looking back, it was amazing that it was as performant as it was considering the still-novel IRS, the inaugural FI effort, and the fact that the sn95 was basically a Fox-4 underneath.

the closest thing I’ve seen to that kind of effort with an affordable muscle car was actually by Chevy in 2016, maximizing the platform in every way including weight.

can’t wait to see Ford put that kind of effort forth again with Mustangs thst don’t cost 3-400k.

 

[9secondko]

What!?

a hero run for a stock regular C5 Corvette was 12.9

one of the magazines went 11.9 @ 118 at Englishtown with the Z06. It was famous for that

many other owners on the forums replicated or came very very close to those times

no stock terminator ever did that

https://www.motortrend.com/features/0410htp-2004-z06-corvette-feature/

no. You’re right. I mentioned the vette, not z06. But when GS mentioned his z06, I combined them in my head. My bad. The z06 was indeed faster. As it should have been

but I stand by the fact of the time that the terminator was faster than the c5 vette. Because it was. And that was special since the cars are in totally different segments.

 

[9secondko]

Well he's quoting fastestlaps.com

lol

Wrong. I was pointing out that’s where GS likely was pulling his “experience”from.

 

[wolf32v]

If want to see a 2024 performance pack auto run against a 2024 LT1 camaro auto look it up Throttle house did a race. The 2024 performance pack Mustang beat it from a dig and a roll race too both autos. Throttle House also did a Dark Horse against a new Camaro. The Dark horse beat a 2024 Camaro too and the Dark Horse beat it around the track, 1/4 mile and roll race too. The Manual Dark Horse is setup for a Hero runs around a track the gears are not setup in anyway for the 1/4 mile at all. The Auto Dark horse will beat any Camaro at everything except steering feel. The Dark Horse auto times speak for themself 0-60 in 3.7 and no stock Camaro LT1 in any magazine turned in a time like that ever. The base Dark Horse with the auto would be even faster since it has less drag and weights less too. All this video proves is the Manuals in the Mustangs suck because of the gearing makes it for a slow straightline car. Ford made the Manual first gear even higher for the 2024 model year which handicapped every manual Mustang. The 2023 Mustang with the manual has a better geared manual gear box. TfL has a video of their base auto Mustang GT with 3.15 gears wiping the floor of a Manual performance pack Mustang badly by bus lenghts.

 

[9secondko]

If want to see a 2024 performance pack auto run against a 2024 LT1 camaro auto look it up Throttle house did a race. The 2024 performance pack Mustang beat it from a dig and a roll race too both autos. Throttle House also did a Dark Horse against a new Camaro. The Dark horse beat a 2024 Camaro too and the Dark Horse beat it around the track, 1/4 mile and roll race too. The Manual Dark Horse is setup for a Hero runs around a track the gears are not setup in anyway for the 1/4 mile at all. The Auto Dark horse will beat any Camaro at everything except steering feel. The Dark Horse auto times speak for themself 0-60 in 3.7 and no stock Camaro LT1 in any magazine turned in a time like that ever. The base Dark Horse with the auto would be even faster since it has less drag and weights less too. All this video proves is the Manuals in the Mustangs suck because of the gearing makes it for a slow straightline car. Ford made the Manual first gear even higher for the 2024 model year which handicapped every manual Mustang. The 2023 Mustang with the manual has a better geared manual gear box. TfL has a video of their base auto Mustang GT with 3.15 gears wiping the floor of a Manual performance pack Mustang badly by bus lenghts.

an lt1 isn’t exactly a DH competitor is it? More a GT competitor.

a more apples to apples comparison would be 1LE.

all for the Mustang trouncing the Camaro. But it needs to be an honest comparison.

 

[REV745DH24]

The z06 in 03-04 was a tick slower than the Cobra. So perhaps you simply didn’t know how to drive the Mustang. The stock shifter was horrible.

If you managed a 12.8 in the Terminator, that’s decent. It’s what some of the car magazines got. It was capable of better however.

you remember exactly how much your old cars weighed when they ran the times you claim? Interesting…

the z06 was known as a 13 second car. The hero runs we’re doing 12.9, 12.8 etc. the only place stating a 12.4 is the fastest laps website, which relies on user gps uploads without verification of actual stock condition at the time of the run.

if you ran that time, you are a true legend and your car is a factory freak.

the dark horse not being faster than it is is a real bummer. For the time, being a brand new sports car - and for the price - it’s not cheap, it should at the least outrun a 2016 SS, right? Or a 2024 non-zl1. But.. nope.

yet it’s a very nice car and as you said, better in every way. Except major performance gains

I’ll like to see a picture of your 03 Cobra Terminator here after this message!

 

[9secondko]

I’ll like to see a picture of your 03 Cobra Terminator here after this message!

try reading the posts afterward.

 

[wolf32v]

an lt1 isn’t exactly a DH competitor is it? More a GT competitor.

a more apples to apples comparison would be 1LE.

all for the Mustang trouncing the Camaro. But it needs to be an honest comparison.

Did you even watch the videos all the way through, the 2024 performance pack beat the 1LE in a straight line as I said both with autos. They did not compare the Dark horse time around the track to the LT1. They compaired the 1LE's time around the track to the Dark horses time. The Dark horse beat both the 1LE and ZL1 times around that track. They posted the times at the end of the Video with times for different vehicles on their road course test track. The auto Dark Horse does 0-60 3.7 seconds which is well ahead of a 1LE auto or LT1. They brought a Standard LT1 because people were complaining 1LE was slower in a straight line because of areo drag when it face off against the 2024 performance pack mustang in the first video. So they tested it in the straight line only not around the track against the Dark Horse. The track times as I said were listed at the end of the Video and the Dark Horse dominated the other pony cars around the race track. Dark Horse manual is is a track car not a drag car in anyway but still faster than a Camaro with the same transmisson non supercharged. The Dark Horse is the fastest pony car around a road course and faster than any other pony car around a track, even Motor Trend and Car and Driver came to the same conclusion as Throttle House. The base Dark Horse auto is the drag strip one less aero drag and the manual Dark horse is the track car with the track pack with the bast brakes of any production car. The Dark horse is the replacement for the Mach 1 a GT500 replacement is coming soon I hope.

 

[Paul's stable]

And the Dark Horse HP has been clocked at 114 by Motortrend and 115 by car and driver with track tires that require it to be between 65 and 72 degrees to hook up (Somewhat joking and somewhat not).

Its a drivers race with any manual Scat, Camera or Mustang. The Scats and Cameros where 50K Cars for the base trims in the last go around and well into the 60s for the upper trim levels. The Nissan Z is a Mid 13 Second car. The Supra is a high 12 second car. You can go M2 for the same price as a DH and knock a couple tenths off if thats what you want. You can spend another 30K and get into the 11s with a Porsche. But for under 100K your NA M6 cars are going to pretty much be mid 12 second cars from the factory.

I used to street race back in the day 76-84 and an 11 second car on the street was rare and that took many modes to your car. Now kids can drive 500 - 700 hp car right off the lot that run in the 12's to 10's everything is so easy these days.

 

[robvas]

Did you even watch the videos all the way through, the 2024 performance pack beat the 1LE in a straight line as I said both with autos. They did not compare the Dark horse time around the track to the LT1. They compaired the 1LE's time around the track to the Dark horses time. The Dark horse beat both the 1LE and ZL1 times around that track.

The 19 ZL1 beat the dark horse in the C&D Lightning lap by like six seconds

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