What are you cross shopping?

[SuperZaynn]

M2
ZL1
Challenger Scat (Narrow or Widebody - perhaps a last call edition)
Supra
Z
S650 GT/P or DH
Mach 1
IS500
CT4V BW
Future GT350/500 equivalent

Truth be told, I'm 99% sure I'll end up with something that has 2 doors and a V8...the sound and character are just intoxicating. I'm also 99% sure whatever I buy, I will own for the rest of my life.

I recently found a new left-over 2021 Mach 1 that is $10k off...and I'm having an internal struggle on why I shouldn't buy it over any of these other fine vehicles...YES, I'm well aware it's a first world problem, Hahaha.

As an 22 IS350 owner, it’s a blast to drive, the 500 is awesome also. Only thing is the factory exhaust is trash lol.

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[SuperZaynn]

My cross shopping was a bit weird until I figured out I really really wanted a v8. My list was pretty budget driven and kinda all over the place lol.

2024 Mustang GT*
BMW i4 eDrive35
Toyota Supra 3.0
Nissan Z Performance
BMW 430i xDrive Coupe
Lexus RC 300 F Sport

And my "not like the others" was a 2 Door Black Diamond Ford Branco but finding one was another story.

Finding a bronco? You’d have a better chance at finding big foot than. A bronco, let alone for MSRP

 

[bloominguez]

The GR Corolla, Civic Type R, Nissan Z, MX-5 Hardtop, Tesla Model 3, and believe it or not, the 2 Door Ford Bronco were all strong, strong contenders for me.

I wanted something slick that could look professional enough, but still be fun to drive and be at least somewhat practical. Manual is a huge preference, but I wouldn't have minded an automatic

The GR Corolla, Type R, Tesla, and Bronco are definitely the most practical of them all. But ultimately, I landed on the Mustang because I can get it for MSRP. Unlike the GR or Nissan Z, which are being scalped everywhere.

As for the others, Type R doesn't have heated seats (huge deal for me), I'm too large for the MX-5, the Bronco is having engine reliability issues, and I don't have a garage or electric car charger for a Tesla.

While yes, you could argue the Mustang isn't as practical as the others, with it being a coupe, small trunk, and less than optimal gas mileage. But the things it does well, it does better than the competition. I love that it has the heated and cooled seats, the smooth ride, and the biggest factor: guaranteed MSRP at my local dealership.

Totally believable, about the Bronco and the other cars you listed.

I'm done buying for the moment, but I did some cross shopping recently. I was looking for "fun vehicles with manual transmissions." Which is what I see on your list.

Mustang was on my list, but I didn't want to buy the end of the previous generation and couldn't quite wait for the next generation. May buy in the future, so I stay on this list.

Cars on my list included the CT5-V Blackwing (purchased), Ford Bronco (purchased--in a 2-door like you mentioned), Subaru BRZ / Toyota GR 86 (previous version was a LOT of fun, new version is only better), Civic Type R, Mustang, etc. I also have a soft spot for the Acura Integra, as an owner of a '95. If I were looking now I'd be adding the GR Corolla to the list.

CT4-V Blackwing should also have been on the list, but it was too small for me. Yes, it looks larger than the BRZ or my old Integra, but GM ergonomics (getting in and out, primarily) are not great--it really needs to be a 2-door.

A car like the BMW M3 should be on my list but it's ugly, BMW manual transmissions are not great, and I've already hit my lifetime quota of BMWs (one)--one can only handle so many check engine lights in one lifetime, they are just disposable cars.

I'm working on a buddy, will get him to buy a Dark Horse (he's a hard core Ford guy). And my daughter will get the GR 86 or GR Corolla. So I'm pretty well covered.

One thing I learned in various test drives is that the Tremec is worth it. Magnetorheological suspension is worth it. And I like the analog feel of certain cars, like the GR 86.

No interest in a an EV. I'll own one someday, but now is the time to buy cars with manual transmissions, preferably with large engines, while we can. People will look back in 10-20 years and lament that they didn't buy them when they could.

 

[Cherry Orca]

What do you guys say?

Manual 2023 supra… manual challenger RT… or manual s650?

 

[bloominguez]

What do you guys say?

Manual 2023 supra… manual challenger RT… or manual s650?

Manual S650 is better than {third best Toyota with a manual} or {third best muscle car}.

 

[Cherry Orca]

Manual S650 is better than {third best Toyota with a manual} or {third best muscle car}.

What are the Toyotas? Tacoma then Corolla? And muscle would be Mustang then camaro?

 

[SuperZaynn]

Totally believable, about the Bronco and the other cars you listed.

I'm done buying for the moment, but I did some cross shopping recently. I was looking for "fun vehicles with manual transmissions." Which is what I see on your list.

Mustang was on my list, but I didn't want to buy the end of the previous generation and couldn't quite wait for the next generation. May buy in the future, so I stay on this list.

Cars on my list included the CT5-V Blackwing (purchased), Ford Bronco (purchased--in a 2-door like you mentioned), Subaru BRZ / Toyota GR 86 (previous version was a LOT of fun, new version is only better), Civic Type R, Mustang, etc. I also have a soft spot for the Acura Integra, as an owner of a '95. If I were looking now I'd be adding the GR Corolla to the list.

CT4-V Blackwing should also have been on the list, but it was too small for me. Yes, it looks larger than the BRZ or my old Integra, but GM ergonomics (getting in and out, primarily) are not great--it really needs to be a 2-door.

A car like the BMW M3 should be on my list but it's ugly, BMW manual transmissions are not great, and I've already hit my lifetime quota of BMWs (one)--one can only handle so many check engine lights in one lifetime, they are just disposable cars.

I'm working on a buddy, will get him to buy a Dark Horse (he's a hard core Ford guy). And my daughter will get the GR 86 or GR Corolla. So I'm pretty well covered.

One thing I learned in various test drives is that the Tremec is worth it. Magnetorheological suspension is worth it. And I like the analog feel of certain cars, like the GR 86.

No interest in a an EV. I'll own one someday, but now is the time to buy cars with manual transmissions, preferably with large engines, while we can. People will look back in 10-20 years and lament that they didn't buy them when they could.

Dude says the bmw is ugly but wants to buy his daughter a GR Corolla

 

[bloominguez]

Dude says the bmw is ugly but wants to buy his daughter a GR Corolla

Exactly. The BMW is *that* bad.

Also, my daughter will be working for Toyota, so there's that.

 

[SuperZaynn]

Exactly. The BMW is *that* bad.

Also, my daughter will be working for Toyota, so there's that.

Come on now, the bmw is nice, I’m debating an m2

 

[Apeman]

Totally believable, about the Bronco and the other cars you listed.

I'm done buying for the moment, but I did some cross shopping recently. I was looking for "fun vehicles with manual transmissions." Which is what I see on your list.

Mustang was on my list, but I didn't want to buy the end of the previous generation and couldn't quite wait for the next generation. May buy in the future, so I stay on this list.

Cars on my list included the CT5-V Blackwing (purchased), Ford Bronco (purchased--in a 2-door like you mentioned), Subaru BRZ / Toyota GR 86 (previous version was a LOT of fun, new version is only better), Civic Type R, Mustang, etc. I also have a soft spot for the Acura Integra, as an owner of a '95. If I were looking now I'd be adding the GR Corolla to the list.

CT4-V Blackwing should also have been on the list, but it was too small for me. Yes, it looks larger than the BRZ or my old Integra, but GM ergonomics (getting in and out, primarily) are not great--it really needs to be a 2-door.

A car like the BMW M3 should be on my list but it's ugly, BMW manual transmissions are not great, and I've already hit my lifetime quota of BMWs (one)--one can only handle so many check engine lights in one lifetime, they are just disposable cars.

I'm working on a buddy, will get him to buy a Dark Horse (he's a hard core Ford guy). And my daughter will get the GR 86 or GR Corolla. So I'm pretty well covered.

One thing I learned in various test drives is that the Tremec is worth it. Magnetorheological suspension is worth it. And I like the analog feel of certain cars, like the GR 86.

No interest in a an EV. I'll own one someday, but now is the time to buy cars with manual transmissions, preferably with large engines, while we can. People will look back in 10-20 years and lament that they didn't buy them when they could.

I like the Blackwing that is for sure, but I'm a bit of a Ford fanboy and a GM..... soft hater, for lack of a better term. It's also quite a bit more expensive than the Mustang. $53k GT Premium with some options is way cheaper than a $90k MSRP Cadillac. (cheapest in my area is $109k)

The Integra Type S is the same story as the GR Corolla: It's gonna be really hard to find one for MSRP, especially since it isn't out yet. I wouldn't mind one, but I'd probably go for the GR Corolla instead.

As for the BRZ and GR86, they just don't catch my attention. They feel like a bigger Miata, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But it lacks wow factor, to me. An old coworker of mine has one, and it really doesn't impress me too much. The price is definitely better than the Mustang, and you definitely get what you pay for. But I don't really intend to buy one.

Also I will never bring myself to own a BMW. I cannot with the maintenance on those things! They definitely look good, but as someone who works on my own cars, I can't own a BMW. (unless its an 80s M3)

The GeTrag 6 speed sounds sucky from what people have said (haven't had the chance to feel it yet), but I've also heard the 2018's revised lots of the issues. I wouldn't be surprised if it was revised again for the 2024. But if not, I don't mind changing the shifter and clutch to make it smoother. Those mods, or even swapping in my own Tremec, would be cheaper than getting a Dark Horse. (also Dark Horses are WAAAAAY back ordered in my area, so I'd be waiting a lot longer for it)

 

[Cherry Orca]

You guys think dark horse will be backed up for a while? You think they’re limited runs?

 

[Mazman]

I like the Blackwing that is for sure, but I'm a bit of a Ford fanboy and a GM..... soft hater, for lack of a better term. It's also quite a bit more expensive than the Mustang. $53k GT Premium with some options is way cheaper than a $90k MSRP Cadillac. (cheapest in my area is $109k)

The Integra Type S is the same story as the GR Corolla: It's gonna be really hard to find one for MSRP, especially since it isn't out yet. I wouldn't mind one, but I'd probably go for the GR Corolla instead.

As for the BRZ and GR86, they just don't catch my attention. They feel like a bigger Miata, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But it lacks wow factor, to me. An old coworker of mine has one, and it really doesn't impress me too much. The price is definitely better than the Mustang, and you definitely get what you pay for. But I don't really intend to buy one.

Also I will never bring myself to own a BMW. I cannot with the maintenance on those things! They definitely look good, but as someone who works on my own cars, I can't own a BMW. (unless its an 80s M3)

The GeTrag 6 speed sounds sucky from what people have said (haven't had the chance to feel it yet), but I've also heard the 2018's revised lots of the issues. I wouldn't be surprised if it was revised again for the 2024. But if not, I don't mind changing the shifter and clutch to make it smoother. Those mods, or even swapping in my own Tremec, would be cheaper than getting a Dark Horse. (also Dark Horses are WAAAAAY back ordered in my area, so I'd be waiting a lot longer for it)

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[Apeman]

This is the answer to all our problems, a fellow Swedes car

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I do REALLY like the ND Miata... but I'm a tall, overweight American man. I don't fit comfortably in them, unlike the American sports cars, like the Mustang and Challenger.

 

[Mazman]

I do REALLY like the ND Miata... but I'm a tall, overweight American man. I don't fit comfortably in them, unlike the American sports cars, like the Mustang and Challenger.

I am a neat little small package so size wise the MX5 is great from that aspect! But it lacks some power unfortunately (in my opinion) :(

Also having two kids it many times means no fun car for daily activities :/, only done 10500 miles in my MX5 since I got it new in 2019 (dont drive it during winter nor rain though) hence why a Mustang is a great choice as it ticks many boxes

 

[Apeman]

You guys think dark horse will be backed up for a while? You think they’re limited runs?

My dealership is FULL of preorders for them. I was told that I'd be waiting at least a year, likely longer, to get myself a DarkHorse, but the GT will be much sooner (more like September). Apparently it's the same story everywhere else. It's gonna be a very, VERY hot commodity

I am a neat little small package so size wise the MX5 is great from that aspect! But it lacks some power unfortunately (in my opinion) :(

Yeah, it definitely feels peppy, but it's nothing compared to an American V8. And that's what I felt about the BRZ/GR86 too. It seriously feels like a bigger Miata to me, and it feels like it has the same power of the Miata, but the weight/size holds it down.

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