“Next Gen” Mustang Will be Electric (EV) Only Claims Autoline

[Mikthehun1]

But it will make Mik and Norm happy.

Actually, I want an EV with a DCT

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[Bit_the_Bullitt]

But it will make Mik and Norm happy.

Uh, I want a stick shift in my EV too. Forgot about me. RUDE.
Why would an automaker not cater to one specific customer? Ridiculous.

 

[Bikeman315]

Uh, I want a stick shift in my EV too. Forgot about me. RUDE.
Why would an automaker not cater to one specific customer? Ridiculous.

Fixed.

 

[Norm Peterson]

I'm afraid you do lose out by deliberately refusing to watch a video without an explanation in advance. Have I ever posted a link to anything dangerous or unsuitable to you? No

Dangerous . . . I hope you wouldn't. Unsuitable? Impossible for me to say. But I need a better reason to watch Richard Dawkins than simply having a link thrown at me.

Again your loss (whether you realise or not)

I may or may not be losing out on anything important to me. Since I can't hope to understand everything about everything, I'm going to cut the time I do spend learning things to what I know I want to learn about and do as much of that learning at my own pace as possible. Which usually won't be from a 9 minute video that contains maybe one minute of value that has to be separated from the other 8 minutes of blah-blah-blah.

Too many videographers just want to point their phone at their face and just rattle on . . . and on, and on.


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

That said I recognize that all change is not for the better. That's the change I take a pass on.

Key thought right there . . .

And we're all going to evaluate various changes as being better or not better differently.


We're "comfortably off", but not so well off that I'd ever be willing to spend $40k on something that I could not absolutely convince myself that I would enjoy owning and using.


Norm

 

[Bit_the_Bullitt]

Fixed.

Damn straight buster.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Haven't carried cash for years now - never use it.

That's your choice. As far as this thread is concerned, paying for gas with cash today is no different than it was when I first got my driver's license and had to start buying my own gas.

$40 of fuel wouldn't get you far over here !

$40 wouldn't empty my pocket of cash either.


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

The thing is electric motors remove the need for a gearbox in the traditional sense so you are only adding it to make it more like an ICE car rather than it being a real benefit. Adding moving parts for no reason. That is why nobody makes them !

I think we'd need to see things like torque curves and efficiency curves before deciding out-of-hand that an electric motor couldn't benefit from operating through a multi-speed gearbox. Optimum acceleration performance comes from keeping the rpms of the powerplant within a reasonably tight bracket around peak power rpm.

Found this. Looks to me that you'd want to keep this particular motor running between about 7000 and 10000 rpm.

For now at least, the easy answer seems to have been to simply throw more motor torque at the problem. But at some point, maybe that won't be an option and we'll be back to trying to get the most out of the power curve developed from significantly less-powerful electric motors.

Maybe we won't see M6s and A10s bolted up to electric motors, but we might see transmissions with fewer forward gears.


Norm

 

[Mikthehun1]

I think we'd need to see things like torque curves and efficiency curves before deciding out-of-hand that an electric motor couldn't benefit from operating through a multi-speed gearbox. Optimum acceleration performance comes from keeping the rpms of the powerplant within a reasonably tight bracket around peak power rpm.

Found this. Looks to me that you'd want to keep this particular motor running between about 7000 and 10000 rpm.

For now at least, the easy answer seems to have been to simply throw more motor torque at the problem. But at some point, maybe that won't be an option and we'll be back to trying to get the most out of the power curve developed from significantly less-powerful electric motors.

Maybe we won't see M6s and A10s bolted up to electric motors, but we might see transmissions with fewer forward gears.


Norm

EV's tend to fall flat at higher speeds because of their direct drive nature. Even a two-speed transmission would give them a lot more top end. Tell me you wouldn't love a pistol grip Hurst on a chunky 2-3 speed box.

 

[Gregs24]

Of course not. They're just monitoring you in your car:
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money...-cameras-explained-15-types-used-Britain.html

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge/congestion-charge-zone

...and constantly watching:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...live-facial-recognition-technology-accessible

It's like you are trying to tell me something I don't know ! They are easy to spot - they are mostly painted bright yellow !

 

[Mikthehun1]

It's like you are trying to tell me something I don't know ! They are easy to spot - they are mostly painted bright yellow !

So you're fine with constant state surveillance, so long as it's overt state surveillance. Got it. You know, 1984 was a cautionary tale, not an instructional guidebook

 

[Gregs24]

I think we'd need to see things like torque curves and efficiency curves before deciding out-of-hand that an electric motor couldn't benefit from operating through a multi-speed gearbox. Optimum acceleration performance comes from keeping the rpms of the powerplant within a reasonably tight bracket around peak power rpm.

Found this. Looks to me that you'd want to keep this particular motor running between about 7000 and 10000 rpm.

For now at least, the easy answer seems to have been to simply throw more motor torque at the problem. But at some point, maybe that won't be an option and we'll be back to trying to get the most out of the power curve developed from significantly less-powerful electric motors.

Maybe we won't see M6s and A10s bolted up to electric motors, but we might see transmissions with fewer forward gears.


Norm

Torque translates to acceleration, that is why EV's are so quick off the mark with maximum torque at zero rpm. Yes they run out of puff at higher rpm but most EV's have plenty of usable performance. PHEV's are probably nearer to the gearbox idea as they do run through the gearbox in some cases (but the gearbox needs to be there for the ICE). PHEV's use dual clutch boxes, eCVT's and some have the electric motor acting independently on the opposite axle to the ICE.

Our Kuga PHEV has a 109PS electric motor (which sounds not much) but about double the torque of an equivalent rated ICE so it is perfectly reasonable off the mark and at lower speeds, with the ICE joining in at higher speeds.

 

[Gregs24]

So you're fine with constant state surveillance, so long as it's overt state surveillance. Got it. You know, 1984 was a cautionary tale, not an instructional guidebook

speed cameras = state surveillance in your head. Paranoia springs to mind.

 

[Gregs24]

EV's tend to fall flat at higher speeds because of their direct drive nature. Even a two-speed transmission would give them a lot more top end. Tell me you wouldn't love a pistol grip Hurst on a chunky 2-3 speed box.

Porsche Taycan has a 2 speed 'gearbox' - higher gear for general use and lower one for performance - but to be fair at no point does that car lack performance !

 

[Gregs24]

Dangerous . . . I hope you wouldn't. Unsuitable? Impossible for me to say. But I need a better reason to watch Richard Dawkins than simply having a link thrown at me.



I may or may not be losing out on anything important to me. Since I can't hope to understand everything about everything, I'm going to cut the time I do spend learning things to what I know I want to learn about and do as much of that learning at my own pace as possible. Which usually won't be from a 9 minute video that contains maybe one minute of value that has to be separated from the other 8 minutes of blah-blah-blah.

Too many videographers just want to point their phone at their face and just rattle on . . . and on, and on.


Norm

Not sure why you waste your time on here then ? Have you ever considered that I may have thought you would enjoy the short film? Rather than moaning about it maybe you should show a little gratitude that somebody from elsewhere in the world is actually bothered to share something with you that may cheer up your day. I will not bother you again.

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