S650 Mustang -Keep hands on steering wheel message

[drive_55_not]

Do you have "Lane Keeping" on? What that on, the car holds dead center of the lane... on straights, through curves...

Is that a question to me? If so, Yes it's on, And the way I under stand how it works, the Lane Assist doesn't intervene until it sees you hit the lane marking, at that point it performs the lane correction.


And I have Zero faith the Lane Keeping Function will keep you on the road navigating curves.

The lane assist acts the same way with the new Expedition we have at work, I don't think I've ever gotten a Hands Off alert with it.

Have you tried a camera calibration like the WSM sez.




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[npole]

If it doesn't intervene before reaching the lane marking, then there's an issue (or there's different kind of assists around.. but it looks stupid to me). Mine keep me in the center and it start to turn the wheel around the curves, it's almost like an autopilot, you still use your hands but it helps for a more relaxed drive (and more secure in bad visibility).... but.. again.. see the previous message.

EDIT: the strange thing is that the hands on wheel alert were working perfectly on the S550 (it pops out when you really do not "drive"), why they didn't keep the same "tune" I dunno, maybe the more recent regulations are more strict than the past years.

 

[roket]

...Now, if anyone ever figures out how to mod the timeout warning to go longer between the “keep hands on wheel” messages, I would pay handsomely for the the How-To

there's a good chance that this will remain a "want" forever. more likely than not, this feature is hard-coded, so unless you somehow get a dump of the programming for likely the SCCM, IPC, and PSCM, then modify the necessary code to either remove or set an impossibly long timeout or threshold, it's not going to change

 

[89Trooper]

Is that a question to me? If so, Yes it's on, And the way I under stand how it works, the Lane Assist doesn't intervene until it sees you hit the lane marking, at that point it performs the lane correction.

And I have Zero faith the Lane Keeping Function will keep you on the road navigating curves.

Yes... and lane assist, yes, intervenes when you get to close to the lane marking.

Lane Keeping keeps you dead center. I've tested it with my hands hovering above the wheel and through all but the sharpest curves, it performs wonderfully.

If you have Lane Keeping on, you will never "bounce" back and forth between the lane markings.

 

[Interstellar]

Everyone should be required to put their car specs in their signature.
There’s 2 versions of this system, if you have the basic lane keeping all it will do is ping pong back and forth off the lane markers. I imagine this is pretty garbage to experience, I would turn it off.
The active lane centering is similar to autopilot and you can hands free drive in the right conditions. If you’re scared of the car’s computer, get over it it’s really a fantastic feature.

 

[roket]

Everyone should be required to put their car specs in their signature.
There’s 2 versions of this system, if you have the basic lane keeping all it will do is ping pong back and forth off the lane markers. I imagine this is pretty garbage to experience, I would turn it off.
The active lane centering is similar to autopilot and you can hands free drive in the right conditions. If you’re scared of the car’s computer, get over it it’s really a fantastic feature.

equipment group and transmission, because even with 401A, manuals eont have lane centering, only lane keeping

 

[CaesarX]

Lane assist active = light is green

Lane Keeping (more similar to autopilot) = light is blue

 

[roadpilot]

Lane centering and lane keeping are two different features in (Ford) vehicles.

Lane centering keeps the vehicle in the center of the lane using automatic steering input, and works with the intelligent adaptive cruise control.

Lane keeping provides a notification and/or aid (slight turn of the wheel) to put you back into your lane once you reach the bitter outside edges of the lane (markers). Lane keeping can be on with or without intelligent adaptive cruise, but is only to keep from drifting out of the lane.

As the owner of both a '21 F150 with BlueCruise 1.4 (I upgraded it myself from 1.0) and a 2024 Dark Horse, I'll let you in on my observation: The only difference between a non-BlueCruise vehicle that has adaptive cruise control and lane centering vs. a BlueCruise vehicle is the nag for steering input every ~20 seconds or so. The lane centering will keep you in the middle of your lane. In fact, if you let your BlueCruise subscription expire, what you are left with is adaptive cruise control and lane centering ... essentially BlueCruise plus the nag.

If you are ping-ponging and drifting out of your lane, then (a) you do not have lane centering enabled, (b) your vehicle does not have lane centering, and/or (c) there is something wrong with your cameras, the IPMA module, and/or it needs calibration.

When I first got my '21 F150, there was no such thing as "lane centering" listed in Sync. It was just "Lane Keeping". After applying a number of updates to the APIM, IPMA, and a several other modules to first enable BC 1.0 on my truck, the new "Lane Centering" verbiage showed up, and the Lane Keeping transitioned to the "ping pong" functionality while Lane Centering became the "keeps you in the middle of your lane" functionality.

As far as getting rid of the nag: You can not do it programmatically (e.g., FORScan). Being the safety conscious person that I am, it would not be right for me to tell you that, if you happened to hang a small amount of weight on one side of the steering wheel, lane centering would be constantly countering that weight by steering in the other direction, and that weight would be interpreted as input -- exactly what the nag is looking for. I would never advise such a thing be done.

 

[Interstellar]

Thanks for confirming @roadpilot
Having never driven a BlueCruise vehicle I really really was confident that the upgraded lane centering was essentially what BlueCruise is.
it’s really fantastic tbh. I’ll get a few jerky wheel movements on turns sometimes but generally it’s very similar to Tesla, minus any sort of active driving obviously.
Definitely have known about hanging a little weight on the steering wheel since the early Tesla water bottle holders, but no sarcasm, it just seems super irresponsible to do something like that. The car would have no way of knowing if something happened to me, as rare as that might be.

 

[CaesarX]

Lane centering and lane keeping are two different features in (Ford) vehicles.

Lane centering keeps the vehicle in the center of the lane using automatic steering input, and works with the intelligent adaptive cruise control.

Lane keeping provides a notification and/or aid (slight turn of the wheel) to put you back into your lane once you reach the bitter outside edges of the lane (markers). Lane keeping can be on with or without intelligent adaptive cruise, but is only to keep from drifting out of the lane.

As the owner of both a '21 F150 with BlueCruise 1.4 (I upgraded it myself from 1.0) and a 2024 Dark Horse, I'll let you in on my observation: The only difference between a non-BlueCruise vehicle that has adaptive cruise control and lane centering vs. a BlueCruise vehicle is the nag for steering input every ~20 seconds or so. The lane centering will keep you in the middle of your lane. In fact, if you let your BlueCruise subscription expire, what you are left with is adaptive cruise control and lane centering ... essentially BlueCruise plus the nag.

If you are ping-ponging and drifting out of your lane, then (a) you do not have lane centering enabled, (b) your vehicle does not have lane centering, and/or (c) there is something wrong with your cameras, the IPMA module, and/or it needs calibration.

When I first got my '21 F150, there was no such thing as "lane centering" listed in Sync. It was just "Lane Keeping". After applying a number of updates to the APIM, IPMA, and a several other modules to first enable BC 1.0 on my truck, the new "Lane Centering" verbiage showed up, and the Lane Keeping transitioned to the "ping pong" functionality while Lane Centering became the "keeps you in the middle of your lane" functionality.

As far as getting rid of the nag: You can not do it programmatically (e.g., FORScan). Being the safety conscious person that I am, it would not be right for me to tell you that, if you happened to hang a small amount of weight on one side of the steering wheel, lane centering would be constantly countering that weight by steering in the other direction, and that weight would be interpreted as input -- exactly what the nag is looking for. I would never advise such a thing be done.

Perfect explanation! thank you!

 

[roadpilot]

Thanks for confirming @roadpilot
Having never driven a BlueCruise vehicle I really really was confident that the upgraded lane centering was essentially what BlueCruise is.
it’s really fantastic tbh. I’ll get a few jerky wheel movements on turns sometimes but generally it’s very similar to Tesla, minus any sort of active driving obviously.
Definitely have known about hanging a little weight on the steering wheel since the early Tesla water bottle holders, but no sarcasm, it just seems super irresponsible to do something like that. The car would have no way of knowing if something happened to me, as rare as that might be.

BlueCruise is far more than just lane centering, but lane centering is a big part of the BC puzzle.

When I was finally able to get BC 1.0 enabled (~1 year from when I bought it), it was OK. The lane centering was acceptable, but not great. It hugged the outside of the lane too much. It still wandered within the lane a little more than I liked. It didn't slow down for upcoming turns or curves, and it like to stay at speed just a little longer than I liked when approaching traffic that was slowing down or stopped.

Last year, I updated all the firmware modules on my truck (using FDRS), and found out a number of module updates included changes to support the upcoming BlueCruise 1.4 for the F150s.

I was subsequently able to find out what changes I needed to make to setting in several modules (using FORScan) and enable BC 1.4 - most likely one of the first 21-23 F150s in Michigan to get it working.

Among other things, there was/is a VAST improvement in lane centering, the vehicle now slows down when nearing sharp turns on the expressway (predictive speed assist), and I can do hands-free lane changes just by tapping the turn signal stalk. It also moves over within my lane - either way - when it senses another vehicle in the lane next to me.

In between my truck having BC 1.0 and BC 1.4, there was a period of 3 to 4 months when I did not have BC. My subscription expired and I wasn't sure if I would renew. When I found out I could update and enable BC 1.4 myself, I grabbed the $600/3-year BC subscription that Ford was offering only those of us with 2021 Job 1 trucks (due to all the hassle we went through NOT having BC for the first ~1 year of ownership). What I can tell you is that, when BC was NOT active during those 3 to 4 months, everything worked exactly the same as when I had an active BC subscription EXCEPT I got the nag every ~20 seconds. When I renewed my subscription, the nag went away.

I've never driving a Tesla. But I my many conversations with those who have driving one and have driven BC vehicles, I would not consider BC and Tesla (Autopilot) and equals, despite both being considered Level 2 autonomous driving systems.

 

[mkstang_com]

Yes, but why the same exact place in town? No other place except those places where I’ve seen the warning. Hmmm…

Maybe on that places the road is bumpy.. I noticed that when road is bumpy and not so good I got this message.

 

[greggsg]

I thought this warning is when Lane Centering is active and you haven't touched the wheel for a set amount of time? Wife's Acura does this. I didn't think it gives the warning for Lane Keep Assist though? Also I don't think manuals come with Lane centering?

I just my '24 6mt gt last night, pretty sure centering was there

 

[samson]

I just my '24 6mt gt last night, pretty sure centering was there

This is from the Ford site. Notice the difference in the Lane Keeping section. MT has lane keep assist and lane departure warning, but not lane centering assist. I don't really understand why this is.

Package Features when Equipped with 6-speed Manual Transmission: • Adaptive Speed Control • Lane-Keeping System with Lane-Keeping Assist and Lane Departure Warning* – Includes Driver Alert System, Road Departure Warning and Blind Spot Assist • Pre-Collision Assist with Camera and Radar Fusion and Evasive Steering Assist • Speed Sign Recognition with Intelligent Speed Assist • Connected Built-In Navigation*

Package Features when Equipped with 10-speed SelectShift® Automatic Transmission: • Adaptive Speed Control with Stop & Go • Lane-Keeping System with Lane-Keeping Assist and Lane Departure Warning* – Lane Centering Assist is included with Lane-Keeping System • Pre-Collision Assist with Camera and Radar Fusion and Evasive Steering Assist • Speed Sign Recognition with Intelligent Adaptive Cruise Control and Intelligent Speed Assist • Connected Built-In Navigation*

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