2024 Mustang sales lowest in history of Mustang

[Zig]

Sorry, at this point it almost feels like you are trying to troll.

That said, ZF produces a solution that automakers can use without standing up their own motor manufacturing line, or trying to integrate transmission management, engine management, and motor management, likely from 3 different manufacturers.

Including the motor in the transmission also allow for the cooling systems on the transmission to be used to cool the motor. MOST differentials are passively cooled, so it would require yet another cooling system for the electric motor.

Using the all-in-one solution simplifies the use of an EV. You choose the system you want (no EV, Mild Hybrid, Plug in hybrid), and RWD or AWD and that spits out the transmission you install in that particular vehicle. Now you only need to integrate your drive/engine management system with your transmission, which is something all vehicle manufacturers do, and that's it. Your engine, their transmission, done. While there are a few other choices that need to be made, these are the big ones.

TLDR, the engine+Transmission/motor package reduces complexity vs three separate modules of motor+engine+transmission.

How was the e-ray judged?

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[Bikeman315]

Hi all, does anyone on here remember this is a Mustang forum. And a S650 general sub forum. You want to discuss hybrids and BHMW's, please go elsewhere. Thank you for your support!

 

[Gregs24]

I have no idea, but I suspect the reason is that the company that makes the transmission BMW uses (ZF) has options for ICE, mild hybrid, and plug in electric hybrids, making integration much easier as the transmission company has already done it for you.
https://www.zf.com/products/en/cars/products_64275.html

BMW just builds the management systems that control the flow of power to the motor and when to start the engine.

Yes ZF designed the integrated electric motor within the gearbox

 

[Bikeman315]

Yes ZF designed the integrated electric motor within the gearbox

Seriously!

 

[smurfslayer]

Seriously!

There just aren’t as many Mustangs at the Starbucks drive thru to talk about ;-)

 

[Bikeman315]

There just aren’t as many Mustangs at the Starbucks drive thru to talk about ;-)

 

[Zig]

Eclairs are better

 

[smurfslayer]

Or Dunkin’

There are slightly lower numbers of bmw’s at black rifle though.

 

[Upacurb]

I will say this.....if you have never driven a performance oriented hybrid before.....driving one might change your mind.... I have a ton of seat time in my buddys 19 NSX (which he just traded up to a Type S) and it was actually pretty dang good....

You get all the exhaust noises while at the same time getting the pull of the electric motors...its almost like adding a turbo but all the boost comes in down low .....it works so seamlessly that if you didnt know the electric motors were there....you would never know....

If Ford built a hybrid like this and it wasnt 100K and it doesnt way 5000 pounds I would be interested....

 

[Bikeman315]

I will say this.....if you have never driven a performance oriented hybrid before.....driving one might change your mind.... I have a ton of seat time in my buddys 19 NSX (which he just traded up to a Type S) and it was actually pretty dang good....

You get all the exhaust noises while at the same time getting the pull of the electric motors...its almost like adding a turbo but all the boost comes in down low .....it works so seamlessly that if you didnt know the electric motors were there....you would never know....

If Ford built a hybrid like this and it wasnt 100K and it doesnt way 5000 pounds I would be interested....

So you're saying a hybrid with a Ecoboost is OK with you?

 

[Upacurb]

So you're saying a hybrid with a Ecoboost is OK with you?

Nope definitely not ....must be Coyote : )

Ecoboost is perfect for my daughters first car (ducks from everything being thrown at me from all the Ecoboost owners lol)

 

[Bikeman315]

Nope definitely not ....must be Coyote : )

Ecoboost is perfect for my daughters first car (ducks from everything being thrown at me from all the Ecoboost owners lol)

I thought so. But hybridizing a Mustang with a Coyote would be physically impossible. The weight would make a GTD look like a lightweight. And the cost, totally prohibitive. For the number of projected sales the bean counters would be laughing their asses off. But there is nothing wrong with fantasizing.

 

[Upacurb]

I thought so. But hybridizing a Mustang with a Coyote would be physically impossible. The weight would make a GTD look like a lightweight. And the cost, totally prohibitive. For the number of projected sales the bean counters would be laughing their asses off. But there is nothing wrong with fantasizing.

yep I am definitely in agreement with you....no way it happens.....but would be cool if it did......

 

[onaccountof]

A friend of a friend of a cousins brother said Dunkins doughnut sales are way down from the past few years and that they are discontinuing some slower selling "products" from their line up.
Now that's dire.

 

[erocker]

I'm curious as to why Mustangs are being singled out here when the entire industry is in decline, especially in the US. The economy sucks and is being manipulated by the rich (to put it simply), yet I keep seeing working people voting against their best interests by being suckered into what the rich want. It's pretty sad to see once great countries just being turned into eastern bloc ghetto's.

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