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[kagemusha2662]

On a more serious note, WHO jumps from a GT/Dark Horse straight to a Lamborghini or McLaren?

I'd argue the Corvette is a better value/car in general compared to those two

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[Hawkeyye]

Pretty disappointing. Poor color options, no savings for going stick, B&O not included with 401a and even if you get it separate it makes you buy the Ford 360 thing too, so you don't save much at all. I was originally looking at an explorer ST but wanted the fun factor and lower cost of the Mustang. I think they pushed me back to the ST as they are the same price now.

 

[kagemusha2662]

Pretty disappointing. Poor color options, no savings for going stick, B&O not included with 401a and even if you get it separate it makes you buy the Ford 360 thing too, so you don't save much at all. I was originally looking at an explorer ST but wanted the fun factor and lower cost of the Mustang. I think they pushed me back to the ST as they are the same price now.

It's crazy that the current car market has literally only two choices: SUV or insanely priced fun sports cars.

 

[Dragster]

1st the mustang isn’t a “value” car…

Name one….. my Whippled 24 GT was 55k all in.
There is simply nothing that could begin to compare at that price point.

So it IS a value car? As another poster stated, the Mustang has always been a "more affordable" performance car versus things like BMW M cars and Corvettes. That's not really the case anymore. I just built an M2 that was $1,000 cheaper than the GT I specced out, and it's not far off Corvette territory. Both of those cars are objectively better from a performance standpoint, and IMO they have nicer interiors than the Mustang.

it’s a top tech baller status symbol. For people that are going to buy a Lamborghini or McLaren in a few years but this is their stepping stone.

This IS sarcasm, right? It's the Internet, so you never know...

 

[Mustang1987]

So it is a value car? As another poster stated, the Mustang has always been a "more affordable" performance car versus things like BMW M cars and Corvettes. That's not really the case anymore. I just built an M2 that was $1,000 cheaper than the GT I specced out, and it's not far off Corvette territory. Both of those cars are objectively better from a performance standpoint, and IMO they have nicer interiors than the Mustang.

It's only near Corvette territory if you get it with every package and loaded with everything they offer. The mustang still starts at $32k. Corvette starts at $70k.

 

[Dragster]

It's only near Corvette territory if you get it with every package and loaded with everything they offer. The mustang still starts at $32k. Corvette starts at $70k.

I'd say 45K since the Ecoboost isn't really relevant if you're comparing things like Vettes and M2s, but I agree with what you're saying. The thing is, not everyone wants a base 45K GT, and if you're looking at a Dark Horse, the gap to the Corvette is even smaller.

 

[kagemusha2662]

It's only near Corvette territory if you get it with every package and loaded with everything they offer. The mustang still starts at $32k. Corvette starts at $70k.

For the ecoboost. The Corvette starts out with a v8 at 70k with an objectively higher quality interior and better performance than a fully specced out Mustang. Even better performance (0-60, track times) than a Mustang with a whipple I'd imagine since the Mustang is so heavy. With the new pricing, I'd argue the GT value is highly diminished and the ecoboost value is slightly elevated/stayed the same. I think what many people, me included, are lamenting is the price increase will price new buyers out of the Mustang V8 market. If you are all about the ecoboost, I'd imagine you feel just fine with the price.

 

[Mustang1987]

I'd say 45K since the Ecoboost isn't really relevant if you're comparing things like Vettes and M2s, but I agree with what you're saying. The thing is, not everyone wants a base 45K GT, and if you're looking at a Dark Horse, the gap to the Corvette is even smaller.

Yeah, but 45k and 70k is a big difference. Remember, the 70k is a base Corvette. I'm sure on their forums they're probably saying "if I get this package on the Corvette, I'm nearing Ferrari territory" lol

 

[kagemusha2662]

Just get a 2024 off the lot and you'll get 2024 prices

Those are about to fly off the shelves given these price increases. If anything, dealers are gonna be foaming at the mouth with their current inventory if they have it

 

[Q6543]

I interpreted your use of “value” as cheap.

And I’m serious… the only possible in between would perhaps be a 911 turbo or GT3.
Unless something new comes out. Eray/Z06 would be the only vette comps… the pedestrian c8 is beyond played out.

 

[kagemusha2662]

Yeah, but 45k and 70k is a big difference. Remember, the 70k is a base Corvette. I'm sure on their forums they're probably saying "if I get this package on the Corvette, I'm nearing Ferrari territory" lol

A fully spec'ed corvette will never approach a Ferrari base spec price. at least if you're comparing new vs new. i'm not sure how much used ferrari's are going for

 

[Mustang1987]

A fully spec'ed corvette will never approach a Ferrari base spec price. at least if you're comparing new vs new. i'm not sure how much used ferrari's are going for

Just saw a fully spec'd out 2024 Corvette z06 convertible for $192k. That's Ferrari territory

 

[Dragster]

Yeah, but 45k and 70k is a big difference. Remember, the 70k is a base Corvette. I'm sure on their forums they're probably saying "if I get this package on the Corvette, I'm nearing Ferrari territory" lol

Oh, I'm sure they do!

Yeah, 45 and 70 IS a big difference, and that's not my issue. The issue I have is with Ford pricing a well equipped premium GT into M2 territory (and a few grand lower than base C8 territory), and that goes for the Dark Horse as well. It's also the fact that the S650 isn't exactly selling like hotcakes, and yet here we are with another significant price increase. It's slightly concerning for the direction of the brand. I don't want the core audience of Mustang buyers to be priced out, effectively telling Ford there's no reason to keep the brand around anymore.

 

[kagemusha2662]

Just saw a fully spec'd out 2024 Corvette z06 convertible for $192k. That's Ferrari territory

a new ferrari minimum price is 250k. also you're talking about a z06 which is the next step up from the base stingray (both of which will perform better than a fully specc'ed mustang, again weight to power ratio). If we are talking about fully specc'ed out base car vs fully specc'ed out base car in the V8 sports car segment, there is very little argument IMO for the mustang now.

Edit: I fully even left out of my previous comments any of the German offerings, which also will outperform a Mustang purely due to weight to power. Again if you're comparing just American V8 to American V8 for value and performance, the corvette is the one to get. I went with the Dark Horse because I got it for a good price and I need it for practical reasons for my kids/family. If I didn't have those in mind, I would have went full send on a corvette

 

[Mustang1987]

a new ferrari minimum price is 250k. also you're talking about a z06 which is the next step up from the base stingray (which will perform better than a fully specc'ed mustang). If we are talking about fully specc'ed out base car vs fully specc'ed out base car in the V8 sports car segment, there is very little argument IMO for the mustang now.

Yeah, that's what I just said if you look at my post... I said "on the Corvette forums, they're probably saying if I get it with everything, I'm approaching Ferrari territory" which is true. Did you not see that? You proved my point. There's always going to be packages that take the vehicle into the next bracket. A base gt is 45k. A base Corvette is 70k. Big difference. 45 to 70 is a bigger jump than 200 to 250k, because if you can afford 200k, you can get a $250k Ferrari.

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