Lane keep assist tried to end me

[young at heart]

I bought my DH (5k miles) used and didn't know it had all these features and didn't turn any on initially. I obviously don't know how to drive it since a message came up on the dash to "Driver Alert Warning Rest Now". Trust me hands are always on the wheel.

Yeah simultaneous to that message mine somehow spews out the aroma of fresh brewed coffee.

Well, kinda. My wife’s Subie will do it soon as the engineers figure out how.

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[LouG]

Same here and I didn't know it had that feature nor did I turn it on. Orginally thought it was the tires.

I noticed it on the test drive along with the hands on the wheel warning. I've never felt such aggresive lane assist before.

 

[Cucurú]

Maybe the should hire Musk or one of his 19 year old workers to help Ford get things correct? Not getting political, just real. Seriously.

 

[Gregs24]

Erm, you can drive your car exactly how you like it, with or without driver aids. Having driver aids on does not make you a 'lesser person' and having them off is not an indication that you are a 'better driver'.

 

[young at heart]

Erm, you can drive your car exactly how you like it, with or without driver aids. Having driver aids on does not make you a 'lesser person' and having them off is not an indication that you are a 'better driver'.

Well sure.

As long as you don’t mind going through a pre-flight ritual before every key cycle and/or consulting the online only encyclopedic owner’s manual every time something new pops up.

Personally I mind and attempt to avoid it if possible.

 

[npole]

That's not just Ford, it's about obtaining an higher safety rating. In EU it's even more restrictive. They are forced to apply those solution: in example it's nice to have the features, it's annoying having to disabling them at every start if you won't have em.

 

[MegaMan]

A lot of the safety features in modern vehicles exist because the govt wants them there and manufacturers are forced to do so- which also increases the cost of a new vehicle significantly so. At least you have the option to turn some of them on or off thankfully. I see merits to having those features and I also see merits to saying “no one asked for these features.”

I personally use the lane assist stuff on long stretches of uncrowded highway - which is super useful for long drives. Other than that, I prefer that the driver aides are turned off so I am in more control of the vehicle.

 

[Cobrakit]

This is why I like my Cobra, manual brakes, steering, transmission and carburetor. No radio, side pipes for music, navigation or blue tooth. Only electronics is ignition box. No roof as well !

 

[LouG]

Erm, you can drive your car exactly how you like it, with or without driver aids. Having driver aids on does not make you a 'lesser person' and having them off is not an indication that you are a 'better driver'.

Sorry, but I disagree. Relying on software to save you from yourself is, by definition, someone who has had insufficient training and/or experience to be safe. Not forgetting that safety nannies are not foolproof.
Driving analogue cars for 50 odd years without an accident at all is a pretty damn good driver.
I know some like that, funnily enough, all with enforcement driving experience.

 

[npole]

Sorry, but I disagree. Relying on software to save you from yourself is, by definition, someone who has had insufficient training and/or experience to be safe. Not forgetting that safety nannies are not foolproof.
Driving analogue cars for 50 odd years without an accident at all is a pretty damn good driver.
I know some like that, funnily enough, all with enforcement driving experience.

That's not correct at all, and you can have proof of it by simply adapting the concept to the full autonomous vehicles. If on the roads you have only those, with no humans at the wheel, the incidents will drop enormously. We won't go to zero, they aren't perfect yet, but we'll be damn next to it.
We're humans, prone to make mistakes for many different reasons, software cannot go wrong unless they are programmed wrong (in that case a "fix" can correct the behavior and you'll be sure that it won't go wrong again.. unlike humans).

Driving modern cars with all the safety systems, not only have made driving less tiring, but it has reduced the incident by a large margin.
It's not about a single person that didn't had a single incident in 40 years, it's about more than a billion car driving worldwide.

 

[LouG]

That's not correct at all, and you can have proof of it by simply adapting the concept to the full autonomous vehicles. If on the roads you have only those, with no humans at the wheel, the incidents will drop enormously. We won't go to zero, they aren't perfect yet, but we'll be damn next to it.
We're humans, prone to make mistakes for many different reasons, software cannot go wrong unless they are programmed wrong (in that case a "fix" can correct the behavior and you'll be sure that it won't go wrong again.. unlike humans).

Driving modern cars with all the safety systems, not only have made driving less tiring, but it has reduced the incident by a large margin.
It's not about a single person that didn't had a single incident in 40 years, it's about more than a billion car driving worldwide.

Each to their own opinion .
Without trying to be boastful, mine's based on over 750000kms driving cars and bikes on very challenging roads here in NZ and a fair amount of driving in Australia and Italy.
I have had all classes of NZ driver licence, all the heavy vehicle licences, Driver Testing Officer licence, Traffic Offficer endorsement.
Many traffic accident investigations and prosecutions of those who won'tx or can't meet safe driving practice.
Besides, the incident rates for Waymos and the many Tesla "Auto pilot" failures rather cast doubt on the abilities of technology.
How many bikers have died now because a Tesla system did not recognise them as vehicles?.
I'll trust my way, and when I see that I'm no longer fit to drive I'll stop.

 

[Gregs24]

Sorry, but I disagree. Relying on software to save you from yourself is, by definition, someone who has had insufficient training and/or experience to be safe. Not forgetting that safety nannies are not foolproof.
Driving analogue cars for 50 odd years without an accident at all is a pretty damn good driver.
I know some like that, funnily enough, all with enforcement driving experience.

My point was that you can choose whether you use the systems or not. It doesn't make you a worse driver if you do use them.

My sister had her car 'saved' by AEB a few weeks ago when her shoe was damaged and prevented her hitting the brake pedal - the car did it for her. She is not a useless driver and ANYBODY in that situation would have damaged their car without AEB.

Distinguish between 'rely' and 'enhance' - they are not the same. I agree some ADAS systems are not great - lane keeping is a particular example - but others can be life / wallet savers.

Seatbelts, ABS, Airbags, DSC systems and AEB all have their value.

 

[billgovier]

I have a 24 Escape and a 24 Mustang GT. I have used lane assist on both cars. It is just OK on the Escape on the freeway sometimes, it is NEVER OK on the Mustang!

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