Ford doubles down on EV future

[Gregs24]

that’s a really big qualifier. Kind of like... Roads are safe where no other humans are present.

I see where this started...



Your comment here belies a fundamental misunderstanding of the US presidential elections. Perhaps you knew this when you typed it, perhaps not. The popular vote is not required for a successful election as president here. While it is true that this election did result in a majority, several recent elections going back to ’92 did not have a plurality but still won the electoral college 270 vote threshold. It is not actually a direct election.
While we vote for whomever we choose, in reality we have one of 2 choices who will serve as president; either someone from the democrat party or the republican party. State electors actually cast the votes for president.

Unfortunately, our last president was a corvette owner.

We need a Mustang owner as president.



What the..?

When I learned The King’s English - and just to be clear who we’re talking about here, there’s only one King.

Richard Petty.

Someone along the way said ‘pay attention to the main topic’.


The link above starts with:
The United States operates as a constitutional republic, a form of government that involves representatives elected by the people, who execute their duties under the constraints of a prevailing constitution that specifies the powers and limits of government.

So, in summary
The F150 is great but British folks are scared of it.
EV’s aren’t all that, but are improving.
Lots of small countries use EV’s successfully (wonder how much US money helped out?)
Larger infrastructures will take longer to successfully adopt EV's
The Mustang ecoboost, GT and Dark Horse are not EVs
5 pages in, and we are still bickering about it.

I read the whole quote - you can't cherry pick the bits you want! This together with the other links I posted is very clear? Do you not agree with the wording blow you posted?

In the United States, the role of democracy within the republic is crucial, embodying the very essence of the electoral process and the engagement of the citizenry in governmental decisions. Although the U.S. Constitution does not embody a pure form of democracy where laws and policies are directly decreed by citizen vote, it enshrines the democratic principle through the election of representatives who, in turn, influence legislation and governance.

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[Bikeman315]

I read the whole quote - you can't cherry pick the bits you want! This together with the other links I posted is very clear? Do you not agree with the wording blow you posted?

In the United States, the role of democracy within the republic is crucial, embodying the very essence of the electoral process and the engagement of the citizenry in governmental decisions. Although the U.S. Constitution does not embody a pure form of democracy where laws and policies are directly decreed by citizen vote, it enshrines the democratic principle through the election of representatives who, in turn, influence legislation and governance.

Well at the end of the day, the only thing that really counts is our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. So long as we have these and they are followed we will be in reasonably good shape. Fingers crossed, because we seem to be going in the wrong direction.

 

[Gregs24]

that’s a really big qualifier. Kind of like... Roads are safe where no other humans are present.

I see where this started...



Your comment here belies a fundamental misunderstanding of the US presidential elections. Perhaps you knew this when you typed it, perhaps not. The popular vote is not required for a successful election as president here. While it is true that this election did result in a majority, several recent elections going back to ’92 did not have a plurality but still won the electoral college 270 vote threshold. It is not actually a direct election.
While we vote for whomever we choose, in reality we have one of 2 choices who will serve as president; either someone from the democrat party or the republican party. State electors actually cast the votes for president.

Unfortunately, our last president was a corvette owner.

We need a Mustang owner as president.



What the..?

When I learned The King’s English - and just to be clear who we’re talking about here, there’s only one King.

Richard Petty.

Someone along the way said ‘pay attention to the main topic’.


The link above starts with:
The United States operates as a constitutional republic, a form of government that involves representatives elected by the people, who execute their duties under the constraints of a prevailing constitution that specifies the powers and limits of government.

So, in summary
The F150 is great but British folks are scared of it.
EV’s aren’t all that, but are improving.
Lots of small countries use EV’s successfully (wonder how much US money helped out?)
Larger infrastructures will take longer to successfully adopt EV's
The Mustang ecoboost, GT and Dark Horse are not EVs
5 pages in, and we are still bickering about it.

Infrastructure determines everything. ICE cars are no good without petrol stations, Hydrogen is no good without Hydrogen stations, EV's are no good without charging stations. It is all interlinked.

Nobody is scared of the F150 in the UK. It just doesn't fit

 

[Gregs24]

Well at the end of the day, the only thing that really counts is our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. So long as we have these and they are followed we will be in reasonably good shape. Fingers crossed, because we seem to be going in the wrong direction.

I think a few in the US get paranoid about the word democracy for some bizarre reason!

There is no question that the US works on democratic principles and processes at all levels of administration from County to State to the federal government. Same principles as Germany and other democratic republics.

It is the process and accountability / voting rights that matter rather than names.

The Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is clearly not a democracy despite having the word in the name!

 

[Bikeman315]

I think a few in the US get paranoid about the word democracy for some bizarre reason!

There is no question that the US works on democratic principles and processes at all levels of administration from County to State to the federal government. Same principles as Germany and other democratic republics.

It is the process and accountability / voting rights that matter rather than names.

The Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is clearly not a democracy despite having the word in the name!

If you have never seen this I think you will find this interesting. This video was from the premier episode of The Newsroom. The was 12 years ago but so true today. By the way the main speaker plays the part of a Conservative Republican. This was, of course, before the 2016 election.

 

[9secondko]

So to recap, Ford isn’t “doubling down” on EVs, but they’re not giving up either.

it looks like there will be a mix of full EV, ICE, and hybrid vehicles.

sounds pretty healthy.

Fords EV side is a loss leader, so they sent in the ICE guy to fix it and relocated the EV chick to get creative with combined strategy. Sounds pretty wise to me. The EV side has had to get creative to come online rapidly while trying to navigate a path to profitability. That skill set will do nicely in STRATEGY (mapping out a path to get the CEOs wishes done). Meanwhile the tried and true ICE dude gets to put his proven wisdom to good use in righting a sinking ship. The ev lady gets to dream and the ice man gets to bolt the broken stuff back together.

 

[Gregs24]

So to recap, Ford isn’t “doubling down” on EVs, but they’re not giving up either.

it looks like there will be a mix of full EV, ICE, and hybrid vehicles.

sounds pretty healthy.

Fords EV side is a loss leader, so they sent in the ICE guy to fix it and relocated the EV chick to get creative with combined strategy. Sounds pretty wise to me. The EV side has had to get creative to come online rapidly while trying to navigate a path to profitability. That skill set will do nicely in STRATEGY (mapping out a path to get the CEOs wishes done). Meanwhile the tried and true ICE dude gets to put his proven wisdom to good use in righting a sinking ship. The ev lady gets to dream and the ice man gets to bolt the broken stuff back together.

Seems like a pretty good summary!

 

[smurfslayer]

I read the whole quote - you can't cherry pick the bits you want! This together with the other links I posted is very clear? Do you not agree with the wording blow you posted?

That is exactly what you did in the previous response, cherry picked a section much lower in the web page, completely ignoring the lead and main topic. It’s a great argument tactic, but a poor debate tactic.

Infrastructure determines everything. ICE cars are no good without petrol stations, Hydrogen is no good without Hydrogen stations, EV's are no good without charging stations. It is all interlinked.

Nobody is scared of the F150 in the UK. It just doesn't fit

You were most definitely channeling your inner boogeyman fears about the F150. Are you afraid there’s one under your bed?

That pic is great. I was out one evening in Alexandria - the one in Virginia, not other one, and came out to find a Fiat 500 parked next to my Rap. He clearly did it on purpose, there were 20 open spaces closer to the exit and around the truck. I have that pic somewhere, it’s even more contrasted than the miata.

 

[Wiley Marmot]

Choice is still good.

 

[Gregs24]

That is exactly what you did in the previous response, cherry picked a section much lower in the web page, completely ignoring the lead and main topic. It’s a great argument tactic, but a poor debate tactic.

White House memo yesterday concerning the ICC

"US and Israel are thriving democracies with militaries that strictly adhere to the laws of war"

Imposing Sanctions on the International Criminal Court – The White House

Not sure why this is such a problem for you? Nothing to debate!

 

[smurfslayer]

@Gregs24 cleverly ignoring his being called out for cherry picking, once again pivots away from his lost argument:

White House memo yesterday concerning the ICC

"US and Israel are thriving democracies with militaries that strictly adhere to the laws of war"

Imposing Sanctions on the International Criminal Court – The White House

Not sure why this is such a problem for you? Nothing to debate!

Again, it’s a constitutional republic. but you can refer to it as a democracy all you want, it’s technically incorrect but go forth and do what you want.

"Article 4, Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

 

[Q6543]

so is “the republic of California”…

they’ve been forcing their “application of legislature” on the rest of us for decades.

on topic I can tell it’s gonna take a few years before everyone gets it.
And also if EREV or whatever TF they’re calling it makes its way to mustangs… it sounds like 5K lbs to me…

I guess we’ll know for sure in 2030/32

I don’t like it one bit.

 

[9secondko]

Choice is still good.

Its the only way.

some will want EVs, some I’ll want ICE, some will want hybrid.

and each of those must be invested in with a startup mentality. Gotta focus on breaking barriers and making ICE the best it can be, get EV into a healthy status making actual profit, and pushing ways to blend the two.
A couple years back, I pushed on this forum for ford to try a hybrid with the top performing mustang. But to use a very small v8 as the generator for the ev motors which would provide the brunt of the power at each wheel. The v8 would rev in sync with the accelerator, providing increased juice to the Elyria motors and give everyone the best of both worlds:
1. Tje instant torque of ev.
2. the extended range of ICE.
3. The tactile and aural feedback of a roaring American v8.
4. Provides streamlined AWD and eliminates traditional traction limits while also eliminating complex AWD setups.
The battery wouldn’t need to be excessively large and the car ends up lighter.
it’s a win-win with otherworldly performance to follow.
such a setup would likely need to start in exclusively priced vehicles (huge missed opportunity with GTD) such as a Ford GT then get amortized in Everyman vehicles like f150, explorer, Mustang GT, etc.
if Ford did THAT, and folks would rarely ever need to top off their battery, it would be a smash hit and they’d be ahead of the game.
But… yeah. We’ll see how far they’re willing to innovate. The tech is already here. It’s a matter of pulling the trigger.

The Ford Synthesis Protocol.

or “SYNTH” for short.

Get Henry Cavill to narrate the propaganda media materials and sell the things.

 

[Zig]

Its the only way.

some will want EVs, some I’ll want ICE, some will want hybrid.

and each of those must be invested in with a startup mentality. Gotta focus on breaking barriers and making ICE the best it can be, get EV into a healthy status making actual profit, and pushing ways to blend the two.
A couple years back, I pushed on this forum for ford to try a hybrid with the top performing mustang. But to use a very small v8 as the generator for the ev motors which would provide the brunt of the power at each wheel. The v8 would rev in sync with the accelerator, providing increased juice to the Elyria motors and give everyone the best of both worlds:
1. Tje instant torque of ev.
2. the extended range of ICE.
3. The tactile and aural feedback of a roaring American v8.
4. Provides streamlined AWD and eliminates traditional traction limits while also eliminating complex AWD setups.
The battery wouldn’t need to be excessively large and the car ends up lighter.
it’s a win-win with otherworldly performance to follow.
such a setup would likely need to start in exclusively priced vehicles (huge missed opportunity with GTD) such as a Ford GT then get amortized in Everyman vehicles like f150, explorer, Mustang GT, etc.
if Ford did THAT, and folks would rarely ever need to top off their battery, it would be a smash hit and they’d be ahead of the game.
But… yeah. We’ll see how far they’re willing to innovate. The tech is already here. It’s a matter of pulling the trigger.

The Ford Synthesis Protocol.

or “SYNTH” for short.

Get Henry Cavill to narrate the propaganda media materials and sell the things.

Kinda like make the radiator a battery?

 

[Gregs24]

@Gregs24 cleverly ignoring his being called out for cherry picking, once again pivots away from his lost argument:


Again, it’s a constitutional republic. but you can refer to it as a democracy all you want, it’s technically incorrect but go forth and do what you want.

"Article 4, Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

I didn't ignore anything. All I have done over and over is provide evidence from your own government and now the White House which you refuse to acknowledge. Are they all wrong and if so WHY are they saying it. Something doesn't add up, they are all very clear and yet you refuse to accept what they have said?

Article 4 is very clear that you are a Republic but that does not mean you are not democratic.

Noy sure why this is such an issue for you ?

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