S650 sales problems

[GrabThatBlue]

He keeps copy pasting AI generated text.

If you copy paste your text to AI engines, they will tell you if it's AI generated.

And yes it is.

You got caught just like the thousands school students who think they can outsmart their teachers.

You even copied the big dots from ChatGPT

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[Ewags81]

like omg. if i would've known my dark horse shared the same non performance hvac components with like a mach e, i would've never even ordered it. uh

 

[robvas]

Regarding that “core segment” that you believe are alienated due to a lack of tuning, that segment are mostly younger people that would buy them used rather than new. Most Mustang buyers don’t really care about that. So far that “lack of tuning” hasn’t stopped people from buying it, same with the C8 Corvette when it came on the market for the first couple of years.

They would sell an extra 5,000 in one week if they unlocked the computer

It's not just young people that want to tune the cars. So many people kept their highly modified S550's because they can't do the same to the current model

Please don't compare to the Corvette its a an amazing machine and all new chassis that's rear engine etc. it wasn't just a ugly re-skin of the C7

 

[CrossCajunMustang]

The S650 Mustang has faced several challenges that have dampened its appeal among fans:

1. Locked Aftermarket Tuning: Ford implemented a double-key encryption system, making it difficult for enthusiasts to modify and customize their cars. This decision has alienated a core segment of Mustang buyers who value the car's tunability.
2. Rising Costs: The new Mustang comes with a higher price tag, and with rising interest rates on car loans, many buyers find it hard to justify the expense. For example, the Dark Horse variant costs around $74,000, pushing potential buyers toward older models that offer better value.
3. Design Reception: The S650's design update has been described as conservative, lacking the immediate "wow" factor that previous generations like the S550 had. This has contributed to a lukewarm reception.
4. Market Dynamics: The muscle car market itself has been shrinking, with fewer competitors and changing consumer preferences. This broader trend has also impacted Mustang sales. Millennials and younger seem to love 4 door pocket rockets.

If I may, this only matters to the company and shouldn’t matter to the consumer. There’s a YouTuber that tackled this on three simple sentences, “I like the car. I want the car. I buy the car.” I don’t think we should care if Ford sale 1000 or 5000. Just purchase what you want.

 

[gtstang462002]

These components are shared by the S650 and other Ford vehicles and they are not performance components

Chassis and Suspension:

• Some Suspension Components: While the S650 features updates like monotube dampers and potentially revised geometry, certain fundamental suspension elements like some bushings, bearings, and possibly the design of some control arms might be shared or derived from components used in other rear-wheel-drive Ford vehicles or those utilizing similar independent rear suspension (IRS) setups (though the Mustang's IRS is specifically tuned for performance). The MagneRide damping system, available on certain S650 trims, is also used in other Ford performance models like the Mach-E GT and previous Mustangs.
  
  
• Brake System Components: While the S650 has specific brake calipers and rotor sizes (especially in performance trims), some underlying components of the brake-by-wire system, sensors, or even the master cylinder design might be shared with other modern Ford vehicles. The base model brake components might have more commonality with other Ford sedans or SUVs.

Electronics and Interior:

• SYNC 4 Infotainment System: The S650 features the SYNC 4 infotainment system, which is used across a wide range of Ford vehicles, including trucks (F-150, Ranger), SUVs (Explorer, Bronco), and electric vehicles (Mach-E). This means the underlying software, some hardware modules, and the general user interface are shared.
  
  
• Electrical Architecture: The S650 utilizes Ford's new Fully-Networked Vehicle (FNV) electrical architecture. While the specific implementation and security features are tailored to the Mustang, the fundamental principles and some modules within this architecture are likely shared with other recently introduced Ford models. This allows for over-the-air updates and enhanced cybersecurity across the Ford lineup.
• Sensors and Modules: Various sensors (ABS, stability control, airbags), control modules (body control module, gateway module), and wiring harness components might be standardized across different Ford vehicle lines to reduce costs and simplify manufacturing.
• Interior Switches and Controls: Certain switches (window controls, mirror adjustments), knobs, and steering wheel-mounted controls could be shared with other Ford models.
• Climate Control System Components: While the design of the HVAC unit is specific to the Mustang's dashboard, some internal components like the blower motor, actuators, and sensors might be common with other Ford vehicles.
• Lighting Components: Standard lighting elements like interior lights, some indicator lights, and potentially the technology behind the headlights and taillights (though the styling is unique) could be shared or derived from other Ford models.

Other Potential Shared Components:

• Fasteners and Connectors: Basic hardware like bolts, clips, and electrical connectors are often standardized across a manufacturer's product line.
• Sealing and Weatherstripping: Some basic sealing and weatherstripping materials and designs might be shared.

Don't forget that the A10 in the amustang is not only shared across multiple Ford vehicles it is also shared in GM products as well.

 

[GrabThatBlue]

Don't forget that the A10 in the amustang is not only shared across multiple Ford vehicles it is also shared in GM products as well.

He didn't use the keywords GM in his ChatGPT search engine.

 

[Bob77]

 

[gtstang462002]

He didn't use the keywords GM in his ChatGPT search engine.

He might be disappointed to find out that most restaurants only have like 5-10 core ingredients for their entire menu that is 15-20 different dishes deep.

 

[robvas]

I don’t think we should care if Ford sale 1000 or 5000. Just purchase what you want.

You should if you want them to keep making the Mustang

Don't forget that the A10 in the amustang is not only shared across multiple Ford vehicles it is also shared in GM products as well.

It's not exactly the same thing though.

10R80, 10R60, 10R140

Then you have the GM variants...

 

[CrossCajunMustang]

You should if you want them to keep making the Mustang


I given up with the government and push for electric. I wanted brand new Camaro, stop making them. I bought mustang as tribute to my father and very satisfied with this gen. Heaven forbid if I total it, I’ll just move on to next car. I don’t know what else to say.

 

[Tamadrummer88]

They would sell an extra 5,000 in one week if they unlocked the computer

It's not just young people that want to tune the cars. So many people kept their highly modified S550's because they can't do the same to the current model

Please don't compare to the Corvette its a an amazing machine and all new chassis that's rear engine etc. it wasn't just a ugly re-skin of the C7

what?

in my reply I basically said that a lack of tuning isn’t going to stop anyone from buying the new S650. It’s either they want to buy it or not.

The C8 comment was also regarding tuning. No one could crack that ECU for the first 2 and a half years of the current generation but that didn’t stop people from buying it.

The whole “tunable or not” discussion will not affect vehicle sales of a sports car. It’s either people want the car or not. Low sales point to changing consumer tastes, pricing, and value. If none of those things are there for the S650, no one will buy it.

 

[NegativeMultiplier]

what?

in my reply I basically said that a lack of tuning isn’t going to stop anyone from buying the new S650. It’s either they want to buy it or not.

The C8 comment was also regarding tuning. No one could crack that ECU for the first 2 and a half years of the current generation but that didn’t stop people from buying it.

The whole “tunable or not” discussion will not affect vehicle sales of a sports car. It’s either people want the car or not. Low sales point to changing consumer tastes, pricing, and value. If none of those things are there for the S650, no one will buy it.

I think his point was that there are a large group of people who would be interested in the S650 if the ECU wasn't locked. This is an undeniable fact; many people who they say they won't buy one cite the locked ECU as a big, if not the only, reason. Unlock the ECU, and you're moving an entire group of people from the "Won't Buy" camp to the "Will Buy".

The C8 isn't a great comparison to this IMO, as it's an entirely new vehicle from the ground up. Locked ECU or not, the purchasing group changed drastically, and the car's reinvention of itself was enough to overshadow it anyways. The S650, on the other hand, is an evolution of the S550. Not enough has changed to "win over" every potential buyer from the S550 camp.

 

[robvas]

what?

in my reply I basically said that a lack of tuning isn’t going to stop anyone from buying the new S650. It’s either they want to buy it or not.

The C8 comment was also regarding tuning. No one could crack that ECU for the first 2 and a half years of the current generation but that didn’t stop people from buying it.

The whole “tunable or not” discussion will not affect vehicle sales of a sports car. It’s either people want the car or not. Low sales point to changing consumer tastes, pricing, and value. If none of those things are there for the S650, no one will buy it.

You read my post but you didn't read my post

 

[downtheroad]

If you want to tune ... build your own or buy historical. From this point in history everything is highly networked and updated due to bugs. You'd best be served by buying historical vehicles.

 

[robvas]

If you want to tune ... build your own or buy historical. From this point in history everything is highly networked and updated due to bugs. You'd best be served by buying historical vehicles.

Or a Dodge, Chevy, BMW, Subaru, Honda...

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