Whipple vs Roush - Which supercharger is better?

[kagemusha2662]

despite how similar 6G and 7G are, i dont think its wise to just assume. think of it this way, 6G is one pond and 7G is another. sure, putting 6G stuff in the 7G pond could be fine, but it could also cause trouble. i think we should wait until people have done their tests on 7G. beteer safe than sorry

Fair enough, I think for the s650 and s550, for me personally, I'm treating them as essentially the same car as far as most parts. I also don't think it would cause any engine trouble per say, just gotta weight the cost benefits

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[broncoboy22]

this vid was great but I still wanna see a stock for stock or mod for mod comparison on the CARB versions of both. Once tuning is unlocked we’ll get the TT and pro charger comparisons

 

[robvas]

despite how similar 6G and 7G are, i dont think its wise to just assume. think of it this way, 6G is one pond and 7G is another. sure, putting 6G stuff in the 7G pond could be fine, but it could also cause trouble. i think we should wait until people have done their tests on 7G. beteer safe than sorry

Going to do the same on either car they are basically the same car anyway

 

[Katastrophe]

Not sure if anyone posted Brenspeed's video on M7G yet, but they ran a 9.97 @ 141+ with a Roush equipped car. At the end of the day...9 second passes can be done with either setup quite easily.

PATH TO THE 9'S (24 MUSTANG GT ROUSH SUPERCHARGER) SO EASY All Mod Info & Drag Videos at Brenspeed (youtube.com)

 

[broncoboy22]

Not sure if anyone posted Brenspeed's video on M7G yet, but they ran a 9.97 @ 141+ with a Roush equipped car. At the end of the day...9 second passes can be done with either setup quite easily.

PATH TO THE 9'S (24 MUSTANG GT ROUSH SUPERCHARGER) SO EASY All Mod Info & Drag Videos at Brenspeed (youtube.com)

Facts, thanks for posting!

 

[9secondko]

Same story, different day.
Whipper Is the king of supercharging.

that’s a huge power difference, far beyond any margin of error for exhaust mods.

whipple has, over the years, gotten as efficient as possible for roots type/twin screw supercharging. They’ve made them for everyone and in spite of major competition over the decades, they’ve always risen to the top.

reliability is a big plus with whipper also. It’s no doubt the reason Ford trusts them so much as to offer a dealer special with whipper install with warranty intact.

Roush is great, but if you just want the most power, the whips is the one.

 

[broncoboy22]

Same story, different day.
Whipper Is the king of supercharging.

that’s a huge power difference, far beyond any margin of error for exhaust mods.

whipple has, over the years, gotten as efficient as possible for roots type/twin screw supercharging. They’ve made them for everyone and in spite of major competition over the decades, they’ve always risen to the top.

reliability is a big plus with whipper also. It’s no doubt the reason Ford trusts them so much as to offer a dealer special with whipper install with warranty intact.

Roush is great, but if you just want the most power, the whips is the one.

Whipple does make the most power, but in their equivalent trims with warranties they are even

this comparison was the CARB Roush vs the non-CARB whipple with exhaust mods. So not apples to apples

The higher power whipple ones do not come with the warranty

To me it’s a stretch to call whipple king. It’s more of what suits your needs. If you have no budget or warranty concerns AND you want the most power, then yup, whipple wins. But then again Twin Turbo is even better if that is the case (once the tuning is unlocked)

but if you want a warranty, CARB, and whine and don’t care about every single pony then Roush is the choice IMO

the video creator noted the GTD uses a TVS blower over the twin screw. So there are diff applications for each type. Buyer preference is all that matters essentially

 

[Q6543]

I’ve still year to see 1 single roush (non shop) car make a pass.

I’ve only seen Brent’s passes, need to see independent verification.
Matter of fact yours is the only public kit I’ve seen yet.

 

[9secondko]

Whipple does make the most power, but in their equivalent trims with warranties they are even

this comparison was the CARB Roush vs the non-CARB whipple with exhaust mods. So not apples to apples

The higher power whipple ones do not come with the warranty

To me it’s a stretch to call whipple king. It’s more of what suits your needs. If you have no budget or warranty concerns AND you want the most power, then yup, whipple wins. But then again Twin Turbo is even better if that is the case (once the tuning is unlocked)

but if you want a warranty, CARB, and whine and don’t care about every single pony then Roush is the choice IMO

the video creator noted the GTD uses a TVS blower over the twin screw. So there are diff applications for each type. Buyer preference is all that matters essentially

to find a point of agreement, yes, twin turbo is best. No two ways about it. I’ve been advocating for FORD to TT the v8 for a while now.

 

[kagemusha2662]

to find a point of agreement, yes, twin turbo is best. No two ways about it. I’ve been advocating for FORD to TT the v8 for a while now.

they can't because twin turbos on a production car can never maintain the reliability that supercharged cars have. also the cost of building up an engine to hold the power of a twin turbo would push the price of the car up to insane costs. so problem is mostly around cost. If they were to go all out on a mustang with a twin turbo application, id venture to guess the cost of the car would be in the 150k+ range price. Not as simple as just slapping it on like most people do with their cars in the aftermarket.

 

[robvas]

they can't because twin turbos on a production car can never maintain the reliability that supercharged cars have. also the cost of building up an engine to hold the power of a twin turbo would push the price of the car up to insane costs. so problem is mostly around cost. If they were to go all out on a mustang with a twin turbo application, id venture to guess the cost of the car would be in the 150k+ range price. Not as simple as just slapping it on like most people do with their cars in the aftermarket.

But the F150...

nevermind

 

[kagemusha2662]

But the F150...

nevermind

Putting on an already existing turbo ecoboost makes more sense. I was speaking about the v8 coyote application. Putting turbo on an NA engine will lead to more problems compared to the ecoboost which is more built for a larger turbo

edit: also keep in mind the production twin turbo v6 on the f150 makes 325 hp. The tune of a production twin turbo is incredibly conservative/tight. putting the twin turbo on a mustang, which is a performance application, to push out high amounts of power with higher boost is asking for trouble

 

[robvas]

I’ve still year to see 1 single roush (non shop) car make a pass.

I’ve only seen Brent’s passes, need to see independent verification.
Matter of fact yours is the only public kit I’ve seen yet.

Do none of the VMP/Edelbrock 2650's out there count? Sure they are on S550's but same blower, same car....

See quite a few Roush install/dyno videos on YouTube but not many people taking them to the track just like the Whipple. I get that it's still hot in the south but it'll be 'boost weather' down there soon and it's cool enough up here to get great times.

 

[robvas]

Putting on an already existing turbo ecoboost makes more sense. I was speaking about the v8 coyote application. Putting turbo on an NA engine will lead to more problems compared to the ecoboost which is more built for a larger turbo

I wonder if the underhood packaging limitations on the Mustang keep ford from putting something like the 3.5 Eco in the Mustang. They should have no problem making to ~ 450-500hp, they are what, 400 in the F150 and 650 in the Ford GT?

3.5 eco crate engine is like 1/3 to 1/4 the price of a GT500 engine

 

[Q6543]

Do none of the VMP/Edelbrock 2650's out there count? Sure they are on S550's but same blower, same car....

No, most are aftermarket tuned with fuel systems and better shift points.

I am curious to see the 2024 with the roush tunes performance on customer cars in the real world.

if tuning weren’t an issue, it wouldn’t matter

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