Whipple vs Roush - Which supercharger is better?

[kagemusha2662]

laughable. The Europeans have been doing it for a while and ford does it with other engines. Turbo diesels have been doing this a. Long time. Done right, turbos will actually cause the engine to last longer since they cause less drag on the engine. Turbos are very economical as well. There’s a reason ecoboost has been so accessible financially. Meanwhile the supercharged gt500 has skyrocketed in price. None of those arguments hold water.

Like I said, twin turbo v8 on the coyote engine won’t work reliably. Another commenter who worked at ford explained that the cost of bringing it to production would be too high. Those two mean Mustangs will probably be supercharged from the factory for now. You also said “done right”, and I don’t have faith in ford to put a twin turbo on the coyote and do it reliably.
But hey, at least after market kits exist so go ahead and put the hellion or hellhorse kit on it and have fun!

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[9secondko]

Like I said, twin turbo v8 on the coyote engine won’t work reliably. Another commenter who worked at ford explained that the cost of bringing it to production would be too high. Those two mean Mustangs will probably be supercharged from the factory for now. You also said “done right”, and I don’t have faith in ford to put a twin turbo on the coyote and do it reliably.
But hey, at least after market kits exist so go ahead and put the hellion or hellhorse kit on it and have fun!

like I said, that’s nonsense. In fact, the new coyote is more ready for TT than ever. Ford perfected the supercharged v8 long ago and kept it old school because that’s what people wanted. But the market has modernized and doesn’t want to be limited anymore - especially when ford has lesser engines using superior tech - reliably - and, gasp! Affordably. There is no magical problem with doing the same thing to the v8. Zero. In fact, it would cost the same anftrr plumbing annd insulation (otherwise would be cheaper) and be MORE reliable. Obviously the right turbos would be needed as well as being properly set up - something Ford knows VERY well by now. They’ve got ecoboost turbo everything now. Doing the same thing to the v8 isn’t changing those fundamentals. It’s simply making a better v8.

if supercharging was better, Ford would be doing that across the board instead. But they’re not. The only vehicle that is supercharged now is the mustang - because “muscle car.” But the mustang is more of a sports car these days. Time to upgrade.

maybr you sell superchargers for a living and have to frarmonger to keep your livelihood. It’s time to start selling turbos.

 

[robvas]

if supercharging was better, Ford would be doing that across the board instead. But they’re not. The only vehicle that is supercharged now is the mustang - because “muscle car.” But the mustang is more of a sports car these days. Time to upgrade.

why does ford turbocharge the F150 raptor but supercharge the Raptor R?

 

[robvas]

Also why didn't they twin turbo the GTD?

if any vehicle had the budget for it that would be it.

 

[kagemusha2662]

like I said, that’s nonsense. In fact, the new coyote is more ready for TT than ever. Ford perfected the supercharged v8 long ago and kept it old school because that’s what people wanted. But the market has modernized and doesn’t want to be limited anymore - especially when ford has lesser engines using superior tech - reliably - and, gasp! Affordably. There is no magical problem with doing the same thing to the v8. Zero. In fact, it would cost the same anftrr plumbing annd insulation (otherwise would be cheaper) and be MORE reliable. Obviously the right turbos would be needed as well as being properly set up - something Ford knows VERY well by now. They’ve got ecoboost turbo everything now. Doing the same thing to the v8 isn’t changing those fundamentals. It’s simply making a better v8.

if supercharging was better, Ford would be doing that across the board instead. But they’re not. The only vehicle that is supercharged now is the mustang - because “muscle car.” But the mustang is more of a sports car these days. Time to upgrade.

maybr you sell superchargers for a living and have to frarmonger to keep your livelihood. It’s time to start selling turbos.

The attempt at gotcha’ing is crazy here. Again, if TT were easy and reliable and people want it, they would have done it. It’s as simple as that really. If everything you said was right, then why haven’t they done it

 

[kagemusha2662]

Also why didn't they twin turbo the GTD?

if any vehicle had the budget for it that would be it.

Exactly, in their most all our car, they still chose to go with a supercharger for a reason

 

[broncoboy22]

This is a good debate!

 

[9secondko]

why does ford turbocharge the F150 raptor but supercharge the Raptor R?

because that’s all they have developed. No real investment on the 8. Just the same thing since 2003.

ford invested in turbocharging lesser
ngines to get them viable for better performance and efficiency. Turbo was the answer.

the 8 was already powerful and they could do a lot with existing investment.
The v8 wouldn’t make a huge ga a mileage difference anyway, even when it gets a bit better with turbo. In the end, ford wants to spend as little money as possible. If you need proof, look at s650 as a whole.

why invest if no one’s breathing down your neck? These are boardroom decisions.

you don’t need to develop a v8 ecoboost when you have an 800 hp v8 sitting on the parts bench.

that’s all there is to it.

SC has been great. But it’s a new day. Gotta maximize returns. Significantly more power and more efficiency is available by going TT.

The result would be a better engine in every way.

Ford just needs to invest in a v8 ecoboost program. That’s tough to do when some of the board wants to see the 8 go away entirely.

But we see sound bites of Farley claiming mustang will have a v8 until it’s illegal, etc. sounds great, but we don’t want a v8 that’s stuck in the old days. Invest in making the thing great, like you did with the 4 and 6. Literally zero reason not to - especially now that American competition is doing it.

 

[robvas]

you don’t need to develop a v8 ecoboost when you have an 800 hp v8 sitting on the parts bench.

You'd think with Dodge and Chevrolet having 1,000hp V8's...

 

[9secondko]

You'd think with Dodge and Chevrolet having 1,000hp V8's...

not too many of those running around. for a reason. it's a last hurrah for them. will only sell for one model year and only 3300 of them. If Ford could hit that with their current displacement and a supercharger, they would. heack, even the gtd isn't going for broke with the eninge. But it's not happening. Twin turbo would see them at 1000+ no problem, with liveable fuel economy, and it would be easier on the engine too.

 

[roket]

i've had a few chances to drive Transit Cargos with the 3.5 EcoBoost, and i think putting that into a Mustang would be outright scary, even more so if they put the F-150 Raptor engine in it like they do with the Expedition Limited Stealth Performance. a big cargo van has absolutely no right to get up and just move like that

 

[broncoboy22]

same comparison from VMP’s perspective

 

[robvas]

same comparison from VMP’s perspective

I like how they call it apples to apples but they have the stock exhaust on the Roush car and headers etc on the Whipple car...

Put longtubes on the Roush and drop a pulley size or two (to keep the boost the same) and run it again...

 

[broncoboy22]

I like how they call it apples to apples but they have the stock exhaust on the Roush car and headers etc on the Whipple car...

Put longtubes on the Roush and drop a pulley size or two (to keep the boost the same) and run it again...

Yeah! Hopefully one day we get true apples to apples. Plus idk if the whipple car has the performance pack with the bigger radiator and oil coolers. The Roush is a base car here without the additional cooling.

i would like to see 2 equally equipped stangs go head to head on the stock whipple and Roush tunes, then go all out on custom tunes. On the dyno and the track haha

 

[robvas]

Yeah! Hopefully one day we get true apples to apples. Plus idk if the whipple car has the performance pack with the bigger radiator and oil coolers. The Roush is a base car here without the additional cooling.

Didn't they say the vmp car got an oil temp overheat warning on the dyno?

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