You can thank Chevy for the next bump in horsepower on your future DH, Shelby, Boss Etc

[9secondko]

hopefully Ford has time to address the power figures in the GTD.

They did not advertise a supercharger IIRC, so they could still ecoboost the thing to 1100 hp if they wanted.

but I’m sure they have their parts in a row already. So hopefully they aimed higher than they said publicly (or higher than what multimatic has said).

it’s interesting that GM was pounding the point home thst the zr1 was built entirely in-house - so you know they’ve got their crosshairs on the GTD.

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[Lastoutlaw_21]

I think the GTD at 800 is what it probably will stay at. That is a true track car and endurance car. Made to be lighter and have the perfect balance of power for cornering on a RWD car. Yes the ZR1 has more HP but 1000 on a RWD car, on a track with multiple corners will be an issue. You will spend more time trying not to destroy the brakes, blow the tires off, and not crash in the corners than anything.

What Ford can do is offer variants to the next gt500. One can be a forged NA stick or dual clutch that's targets 630-700 using the 7.3 or 5.2, a superchargered version of either making 880-940, and a twin turbo making 1000. That would make everyone happy because you would appeal to everyone's needs.

 

[wolf32v]

Ah yes, a $200,000 plus supercar, truly a car of the people.

Its more attainable then the GTD which is not even available for anyone on here I bet. Heck people now days spend 200,000 dollars on cars like it nothing. One limited F350 and Bronco Raptor and you could a have base ZR1. I am not saying everyone has the money but there is more than you think that could afford a ZR1. There is several people on here that have GT500's and other cars also in the same family they could afford a ZR1.

 

[Polo08816]

A DH with HP and Reco is about 74K, a Vette with same options and Z51 is about 84. You have to go to at least 2LT Vette to get the DH premium style upgrades.

MSRP to MSRP

So a DH (non Premium) with HP and Recaros is comparable to a C8 1LT Z51 + Magneride.

I believe the C8 1LT Z51 + Magneride is about $78k.

The issue I have with MSRP vs MSRP, strictly, is that it's similar to magazine racing and doesn't reflect real world considerations. At the end of the day, what it actually costs me based on market pricing is more relevant.

Granger Ford is about the best pricing in the game for Fords and they were at MSRP for DHs. Ciocca Corvette and Maculkin Chevy are the largest volume C8 dealerships with 70+ C8s in inventory for each. They are about $6-8k off MSRP.

 

[Stangerous]

The new ZR1 has 1,064 BHP and 828 LB FT. Ford can't sit on their hands and let this happen. I wonder how much is left on the table for the Mustang GTD?

https://www.chevrolet.com/upcoming-vehicles/2025-corvette-zr1

At this point I really don't give two craps about the $300k+ GTD. Just read where they'll be unmasking the Vette soon to do some real world testing without all the camo so they can get the car dialed in before production AND they estimate it will come in at less than $200k. Chevy also didn't have to send the car to Multimatic to get this done. This is their way of giving Ford and the GTD two giant middle fingers.

 

[Rated R]

Well I applied for a GTD. I probably won't get an allocation. I will say that the GTD imo looks much better than the batman looking new Vettes. The interior of the Vettes are terrible, too many angles both inside and outside. The cars look like a bunch of stuff tacked onto them.

The GTD looks badass to my eyes. I do wish the interior was a bit more special over the regular S650's though.

 

[Lastoutlaw_21]

At this point I really don't give two craps about the $300k+ GTD. Just read where they'll be unmasking the Vette soon to do some real world testing without all the camo so they can get the car dialed in before production AND they estimate it will come in at less than $200k. Chevy also didn't have to send the car to Multimatic to get this done. This is their way of giving Ford and the GTD two giant middle fingers.

To be honest, who is gonna do the work for the zr1? There might be 2 or one dealerships in each state that know how to work on the c8 z06 or have seen one and it's been out for 2 years. I'd much rather send my car to multimatic and know they know what they are doing. And also knowing they have all the tools and engineers to fix any issue. Than to send my zr1 to a Chevy shop knowing they have no idea what they are doing and weren't trained at all nor have the tools to even work on the car at all. There are multiple issues with Chevy dealerships not being trained, refusing to buy the equipment, or breaking z06s due to not know what to do with them. So people with z06s have had trouble getting regular oil changes, tire changes, and service done. Some have had to have there car shipped to a dealership far away just to fix their z06 lol. So Chevy is not training their dealerships at all on the high performance c8's and that is worse than ford.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

Quick tangent: Is there a point where higher horsepower becomes an issue for daily driving? To the point where the accelerator becomes too sensitive to throttle input and you're trying not to get whiplash from standstill?

 

[Radiant]

Quick tangent: Is there a point where higher horsepower becomes an issue for daily driving? To the point where the accelerator becomes too sensitive to throttle input and you're trying not to get whiplash from standstill?

Torque matters more than horsepower for daily driving. Once torque exceeds traction, you're doing a burnout. Turning off traction control and flooring it on the street will lead to disaster, but with a modicum of common sense, nah, these cars drive fine on the street.

 

[Farmer Fran]

So a DH (non Premium) with HP and Recaros is comparable to a C8 1LT Z51 + Magneride.

I believe the C8 1LT Z51 + Magneride is about $78k.

The issue I have with MSRP vs MSRP, strictly, is that it's similar to magazine racing and doesn't reflect real world considerations. At the end of the day, what it actually costs me based on market pricing is more relevant.

Granger Ford is about the best pricing in the game for Fords and they were at MSRP for DHs. Ciocca Corvette and Maculkin Chevy are the largest volume C8 dealerships with 70+ C8s in inventory for each. They are about $6-8k off MSRP.

Ok then for that Maculkin Chevy has 1 LT1 and non Z51 - so no go
and
Ciocca Corvette has the Z51 for 78500
and
a DH no premium MSRP is 70K with the 2 options

That is an 8K difference, that is not chump change.

 

[BoostRabbitGT]

Torque matters more than horsepower for daily driving. Once torque exceeds traction, you're doing a burnout. Turning off traction control and flooring it on the street will lead to disaster, but with a modicum of common sense, nah, these cars drive fine on the street.

Very interesting. Daily driving a Koenigsegg Jesko or Gemera would be quite the experience to have or even witness from a casual perspective, I'd imagine.

 

[Polo08816]

Ok then for that Maculkin Chevy has 1 LT1 and non Z51 - so no go
and
Ciocca Corvette has the Z51 for 78500
and
a DH no premium MSRP is 70K with the 2 options

That is an 8K difference, that is not chump change.

Maculkin had over 140 Corvettes on the lot a month or two ago. You can also custom order one as well... just like you would have to for the DH.

DH no Premium needs the Recaros and HP.

You realize the fact that the Mustang and C8 are in the same purchase price discussion already means the Corvette won for the masses, right? A domestic mid engine rear wheel drive platform is generally going to be more desirable to the masses than a domestic front engine rear drive platform for the same amount of money. It's evident in the sales numbers.

Also, for ~$70k with no Recaros and HP, I'd rather go with a G87 M3 for $63k-65k. There's more inventory and some are even being discounted.


No one is saying the DH is a bad car. They're just saying it needs to be priced sub $60k so it doesn't get undercut by the competition in the higher price ranges.

 

[Farmer Fran]

Maculkin had over 140 Corvettes on the lot a month or two ago. You can also custom order one as well... just like you would have to for the DH.

DH no Premium needs the Recaros and HP.

You realize the fact that the Mustang and C8 are in the same purchase price discussion already means the Corvette won for the masses, right? A domestic mid engine rear wheel drive platform is generally going to be more desirable to the masses than a domestic front engine rear drive platform for the same amount of money. It's evident in the sales numbers.

Also, for ~$70k with no Recaros and HP, I'd rather go with a G87 M3 for $63k-65k. There's more inventory and some are even being discounted.


No one is saying the DH is a bad car. They're just saying it needs to be priced sub $60k so it doesn't get undercut by the competition in the higher price ranges.

For 70k you get the HP and seats and still 8k less than the vette. If 8k is chump change to you thats cool. That to me is not the same price range

And if 8k is the same price range that is a blown DH with HP and seats

 

[DarthMalice]

At this point I really don't give two craps about the $300k+ GTD. Just read where they'll be unmasking the Vette soon to do some real world testing without all the camo so they can get the car dialed in before production AND they estimate it will come in at less than $200k. Chevy also didn't have to send the car to Multimatic to get this done. This is their way of giving Ford and the GTD two giant middle fingers.

Yep. Just watched the reveal video with Tadge where he really dug in on this was all done in-house. Ford Performance has got to step up their game. The GTD is Mustang in name only.

 

[kagemusha2662]

Yep. Just watched the reveal video with Tadge where he really dug in on this was all done in-house. Ford Performance has got to step up their game. The GTD is Mustang in name only.

ya, i don't know why people credit Ford like their engineers did anything. Multimatic got their hands on the S650 from them and went haywire with their engineering, not Ford's. GM built the corvette bottom up in house, and that's incredibly impressive

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